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Toys shipped in lisp/play directory are fun, no question about that. Do they belong into core disribution of Emacs is another question. Problems: 1) They increase package size. 2) Their existence clutters M-x autocomplete lists: example M-x bu has all things buffer, but also shows bubbles and butterfly, hardly useful during editing process. 3) Tools > Games is a bit confusing: games are not tools by definition. 4) Help > Psychotherapist is toy in documentation menu. Solution: 1) Make these toys in lisp/play optionally available from elpa.gnu.org/packages, but do not ship them by default within Emacs. Advantage of solution: 1) All problems go away 2) Simple lisp game sources now easily accessible right from common browser for fun & inspiration without having to download 56M tar.gz editor with them. 3) Fair towards other toys, considering sokoban and wpuzzle are there but don't ship by default. - Otso