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From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Alan Third" <alan@idiocy.org>,
	"Mattias Engdegård" <mattiase@acm.org>,
	45198@debbugs.gnu.org, "Stefan Kangas" <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	"João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>,
	"Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#45198: 28.0.50; Sandbox mode
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:11:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAArVCkThkE1iZwxOL78pJAzX2Vr8KxS9jn5dq1h_1DfS9+4LMQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83czusun95.fsf@gnu.org>

Am So., 18. Apr. 2021 um 08:21 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
>
> > From: Philipp <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:52:59 +0200
> > Cc: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase@acm.org>,
> >  João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com>,
> >  45198@debbugs.gnu.org,
> >  stefankangas@gmail.com,
> >  monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
> >  alan@idiocy.org
> >
> > > So you are going to suggest that we rely on some auditing of the
> > > syscalls Emacs uses now to decide which ones to filter and which not?
> >
> > I don't mean that we should wade through all potential syscalls that Emacs could make.  Typically you can come up with such a Seccomp policy iteratively: run Seccomp in advisory mode (i.e. only log syscalls), then allow the syscalls that are both necessary and harmless in the policy.
>
> Emacs can be invoked to do many different things, and will
> correspondingly present very different profiles of syscalls.  Is the
> procedure you envision practical, let alone seamless, given that it
> will have to become part of the maintenance and the release process?

Yes. There aren't that many syscalls to begin with, and Emacs uses
only a small subset of them. New Emacs or libc versions occasionally
introduce new syscalls, but finding and allowing them tends to be not
that big of a deal.

> > >  And what about users who make local changes
> > > in their Emacs?
> >
> > They can provide their own Seccomp policies or modify the ones included in Emacs.
>
> What does providing a policy entail? can you describe the procedure of
> tailoring a policy to changes in the Emacs code?

1. Run the Emacs sandbox with the code you want to run.
2. Emacs will crash with SIGSYS if it hits a forbidden/unknown
syscall. Ensure that this generates a coredump.
3. Check the backtrace for the coredump (e.g. coredumpctl debug)
and/or the Seccomp audit logs (ausearch) for the syscall that
triggered the signal.
4. Add a rule for the syscall and its arguments to the BPF generation
program, e.g. lib-src/seccom-filter.c.
5. Regenerate the BPF rule file.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-18  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-12 18:01 bug#45198: 28.0.50; Sandbox mode Stefan Monnier
2020-12-12 19:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-12 21:06   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-13  3:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-13  4:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-13 11:14         ` João Távora
2020-12-13 17:07         ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-13 15:31 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-13 17:09   ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-13 17:04 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-13 17:57   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-13 18:13     ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-13 18:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-14 11:05         ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-14 14:44           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-14 15:37             ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-19 22:41             ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-19 23:16               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-20 12:28                 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-22 10:57                   ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-22 14:43                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-19 18:18           ` Philipp Stephani
2021-04-10 17:44             ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-19 22:22           ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-20 15:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-20 18:14               ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-20 18:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-20 18:39                   ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-29 13:50             ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-29 15:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-29 16:05                 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-29 17:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-31 15:05                     ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-31 16:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 19:11             ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-13 18:52       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-13 20:13     ` João Távora
2020-12-14 11:12 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-14 13:44   ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-14 14:48     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-14 15:59     ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-17 13:08       ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-17 17:55         ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-18 15:21           ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-18 18:50             ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-19 15:08               ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-19 17:19                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-19 18:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-19 18:46                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-19 19:48                       ` João Távora
2020-12-19 21:01                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-20 13:15                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-20 14:02                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-20 14:12                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-20 15:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-22 11:12                   ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-28  8:23                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-12-29 13:58                       ` Philipp Stephani
2020-12-30 14:59 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-12-30 15:36   ` Alan Third
2021-04-17 15:26 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-04-17 15:44   ` Philipp
2021-04-17 15:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 16:10       ` Philipp
2021-04-17 16:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 16:19           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 16:20           ` Philipp Stephani
2021-04-17 16:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 19:14               ` Philipp Stephani
2021-04-17 19:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 19:52                   ` Philipp
2021-04-18  6:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18  9:11                       ` Philipp Stephani [this message]
2021-04-18  9:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 17:48         ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-04-17 18:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-17 18:59             ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-04-17 19:42               ` Philipp
2021-04-17 19:57                 ` Alan Third
2021-04-19 15:41                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-04-17 19:19           ` Philipp Stephani
2021-04-17 17:22     ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-04-17 17:57       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-17 19:21         ` Philipp Stephani
2021-04-17 19:16       ` Philipp Stephani
2021-04-17 16:58   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-17 17:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 17:53       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-17 18:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 18:47           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-17 19:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 20:26               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18  6:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 14:25                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-05 19:12                     ` Philipp
2021-09-17 12:13 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-17 13:20   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-09-17 19:49     ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-09-11 11:28       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-13 12:37         ` mattiase
2022-09-13 12:53           ` João Távora
2022-09-13 13:02             ` João Távora

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