From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philipp Stephani Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#27170: 26.0.50; Suggestion: Optionally send package build output to log file not *Messages* Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:34:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87fuflm0ky.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87k0xtqozx.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26766"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "N. 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Aug. 2020 um 18:09 Uhr schrieb Lars Ingebrigtsen : > > nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > > > When installing/updating packages a lot of messages are generated. > > These clutter up the *Messages* buffer and make it hard to find > > recent messages from before the package operation. > > > > Worse, they often cause truncation of the *Messages* buffer so > > that recent messages from just before the package operation are > > deleted. > > Yeah, that doesn't sound ideal... > > > A potential solution to this would be, optionally, to have the package > > build output go to a log file instead of to the *Messages* buffer. Only > > the summary messages (number of packages updated, success in updating > > them etc.) need be written to *Messages*. > > I don't think we'd actually want to write this to a log file, but there > could be a different log buffer. > > To implement that, we'd need to export Vmessages_buffer_name to Lisp > Land (I think?), and we could then just rebind the variable to something > else before doing the package builds. > > I think exporting the variable to Lisp Land sounds useful, in any case. > > Any opinions here? I don't think we can rename the *Messages* buffer. We document that its name is *Messages*, and there's certainly tons of code around that assumes that. If we want to change anything in this area, we'd better DTRT and introduce a proper logging framework, with customizable log sources and sinks (the *Messages* buffer being one of the sinks).