From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:56:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372096627 23426 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2013 17:57:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 14704@debbugs.gnu.org To: Sebastian Wiesner Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 24 19:57:07 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrB0l-00021X-Fb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:57:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38071 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrB0l-0004JQ-5y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrB0h-0004H6-5m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrB0g-0005Ja-Ar for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44632) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrB0g-0005JD-7S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrB0f-00058X-Ov for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14704.137209660819719 (code B ref 14704); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2013 17:56:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38948 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrB0S-00057z-GY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:56:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:59632) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrB0Q-00057d-2b for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:56:46 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id h15so6311226eak.0 for <14704@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bpRLm2NCse+pf0BvNELH+cM17zbTGZf713HfRLJFadk=; b=XB6odCvOLHTCOX5RkhmmXjzWTggz4etj59RXlLNSM1FFQeinX5WG7f9UHwdt07KjZa 6nVJtrFc0CtArkHTBhzex3LxLg9EbPrZhmRcue547VG3kaO2iqz6XNO04tX9mDIrhDNy WITcBENxmcd8MXHbLlPBJIG59B35GAlLk61qznhX8dmOfDw5xYCANb7/cWgxboElYtvD dWZtNjftjlg6x6sGegyKM2QDdD31jlQ1BVXzwYGZ8nh51Bp52pHo8Vg3sJwaZtgFaEgB XRS19EVz64mHQ/y5IwYbOVUsx+RpXqdf/qcHAE31z488DdPLdpwtmS00P5b+NF0So7Tb pRug== X-Received: by 10.15.76.71 with SMTP id m47mr25551135eey.70.1372096600072; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.14.142.4 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:56:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:75521 Archived-At: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sebastian Wiesner wr= ote: > Who would test your code then before releases if not those who compile > from trunk? You developers obviously don't=E2=80=A6 and what is worse, = you > apparently do even *care*. Yes, users (and developers) test it. Users file bug reports. Sometimes they offer a patch, often they don't. That's fine and good. Users don't usually come screaming and demanding. That seems rude, to say the least. > These three bugs I found are so blatantly obvious and so severe that > even the most sloppy manual testing, let alone unit testing, would > have revealed them, but all you have to say to such a bad failure is > =E2=80=9CBoy, this is trunk, go home to mama, and play with old releases= =E2=80=9D?! No, more like "go home to mama and ask her again about good manners". > I am sorry that you do not know about CI, unit testing and software > quality, but I do, and thus I am horrified by the neglect and > ignorance you demonstrate in developing one of the most important > tools of my daily work. Not sure if that you is singular or plural. It's wrong in either case. J