From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:30:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: <837ghjjqvj.fsf@gnu.org> <831u7rjoyl.fsf@gnu.org> <83y59zi84y.fsf@gnu.org> <871u7rxns8.fsf@yandex.ru> <83vc53i7cv.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372105930 28452 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2013 20:32:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lunaryorn@gmail.com, Dmitry Gutov , 14704@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 24 22:32:09 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDQm-0002Hf-DM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:32:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46486 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDQl-0001tB-RY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:32:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41375) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDQi-0001rb-SZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDQh-0005dx-9n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:32:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44771) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDQh-0005dt-6p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDQg-0002ti-5D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14704.137210588811060 (code B ref 14704); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2013 20:31:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39087 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDQ7-0002sJ-Py for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:31:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178]:60634) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDQ6-0002ry-6j for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:31:26 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u16so24929926iet.23 for <14704@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:31:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=xUZK69m9PV6n98yH0bpxfwH8Ra2TuzybiSR1tOCRb7g=; b=HvBYP95Itl8nLFVNe1R/WEF1WqRd+F0gPju3ZKv7Am76AEQla1rN6jmCHKLHvK1iyV yx+/SyUTfHeQnPTr4dLY8Zs+pPvdGquoYHl5Wwd5fy+Tucoul9E6deWJPHjlzGVNqZkp Q/447Y/9JCCbUMmLTFFQrNRAXHu66dZ4etnRrRt/hCOIo1S9eiowNlPrnWP2b70QTxst 9jrZA5cRNCNBV2MoJsEbAoxxsiXkYPvWZ6cZqJPNAPdgBpzXYpm/mVXcGNnxFmKXe9bo 8FCm5IIIYd/R8k9xdWMNsLv8LFNOiTg/QliqISYZYss8ziGME+qvHkI6iB6sSCu0VDB4 mdqw== X-Received: by 10.42.148.5 with SMTP id p5mr12412417icv.19.1372105880000; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.126.161 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:30:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83vc53i7cv.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:75534 Archived-At: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > We lack a lot of infrastructure for that, like access from Lisp to > data structures manipulated by the display engine. What kind of API are you envisioning? Yes, I know that a designing a precise API is half the work, I'm asking more about the general idea. J