From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15117: 24.3.50; doc of `(forward|backward)-*': state return value Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:28:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1dc76f7a-5481-41df-b976-ec22229d7283@default> <874n4a42f0.fsf@building.gnus.org> <1281d0fd-77cb-45e2-b99d-f4ad24b0fc4e@default> <2fefcbaf-9417-4f57-93af-490ea73aea98@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392082212 30249 80.91.229.3 (11 Feb 2014 01:30:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 01:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15117@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 11 02:30:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WD2Ax-0004Nm-NH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:30:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59035 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WD2Aw-0005Yz-SL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:30:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WD2Aq-0005Wf-HY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:30:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WD2Am-00029V-3w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:30:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WD2Am-000278-0k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:30:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WD2Ak-0005R2-Ok for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:30:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 01:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 15117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15117.139208217120825 (code B ref 15117); Tue, 11 Feb 2014 01:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2014 01:29:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42164 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WD2AE-0005Pp-Sx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:29:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41]:50374) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WD2AC-0005PW-Pc for 15117@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:29:29 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f73so6171930yha.28 for <15117@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:29:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0brDIp72JQJ64wuuYJSCTR0/24qDOiLp/FXtFkQDKYA=; b=IXZrrlr1htk3Wtcn83qkiAWQ0qbcBsJD/DBaJ9FkSEzVGk1iX2F1kU6HwAMGZD+Wo+ UsTpdVJDu/4shHdUbMBAmEqzpy/pKW54OBC+8isdUyKkRqB68pBFtbB1zhErpz2wzklb 5fHyLFv35kyT5OaTvR61vj1saGM/Q56TI9uOvxljImJR7sCJW7Z1zE2T8RS9BhN2YGs2 UMM7g5+7C6ogcTnJmlf93mS2tDqAFWnbeMXtBGkAfA4iAwo59nqzUXPOQxHjygg+xtws SCyCAwEe0/VdjnHlVQpmtrK/eohqmSsWCf1Dy+BSUrVeLajMghvS+2g1JnvknOMNOwEP /C1w== X-Received: by 10.236.191.67 with SMTP id f43mr5696063yhn.60.1392082163050; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:29:23 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.170.84.65 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:28:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2fefcbaf-9417-4f57-93af-490ea73aea98@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85343 Archived-At: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > Motion functions are not what is typically meant by a side-effect > function. Why not? Functions intended to move the point are as prototypically side-effect functions as you can get. That goto-char returns POSITION is a moderately useful, but not-at-all necessary commodity. goto-char moving the point as a side effect is its whole raison d'=C3=AAtre. > They do not change the contents of the buffer, for > example, in the sense of `buffer-modified-p'. Why would you restrict the definition of "side effects" to changing the buffer? `recenter' has no documented return value, and does not modify the buffer. Would you deny that it exists to recenter as a side effect? J