From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9571: 24.0.50; user option to turn off bidi, please Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:21:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87obybg01n.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316769772 14627 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2011 09:22:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 23 11:22:47 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R71y2-0001Pc-Fv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:22:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41310 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R71y1-0006EC-Sh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:22:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42839) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R71xy-0006E3-KY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:22:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R71xs-0004zc-UU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:22:42 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43500) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R71xs-0004xi-Sc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:22:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R71yH-0006L0-Oi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:23:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9571 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 9571-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9571.131676973024302 (code B ref 9571); Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:23:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2011 09:22:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R71xR-0006Jv-Vm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:22:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.161.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R71xQ-0006Jp-Jc for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:22:09 -0400 Original-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so2601207gxk.3 for <9571@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 02:21:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BP0sPtvH0+bqldI0nd7CoqTq2YHmIgxQsbnes4yTJn8=; b=BV4SAdWePOqDHgaga7CU8rk3Fh+dsXUu9awtkd7FGE8peEtT64AQuX1FJ4WHMC6BRH tJZV5pkrTSWvkZtmNk+yv792qDO64EjhIL7iLM0PT3oyBP3U8s2PkbjKspvpKb5cS787 40opi5BeR/a800G8JVi0PseBXGhDLpMaQqJRE= Original-Received: by 10.68.32.133 with SMTP id j5mr9179703pbi.68.1316769702127; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 02:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.142.223.13 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 02:21:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87obybg01n.fsf@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:23:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51695 Archived-At: 2011/9/23 =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n N=C4=9Bmec : > I assume you don't consider UI responsiveness (buffer movement etc.) > deterioration a bug, then? AFIAK it's totally unrealistic to expect the > same responsiveness from Emacs with bidi enabled as from one with bidi > disabled, just as is the case with font locking. Given that font locking > already makes Emacs (next-to-?)unusable under certain circumstances, I'm > not sure easily discoverable and advertised possibility to switch bidi > off is such a very strange request from someone who never, ever, works > with bidi text (intentionally or not, i.e., doesn't even receive bidi > emails or something). OOH, there was a time when suggesting that the user adds something to .emacs, like (setq-default bidi-display-reordering nil) was not considered obscure. Not everything must go through the customization interface. OTOH, you could equally argue that the new font backend stuff from the Unicode merge slows Emacs for people who only ever edits ASCII, and that disabling these backends should be an "easily disoverable and advertised posibility". But currently the only way to disable a specific font backend is via (initial|default)-frame-alist, and no one has complained yet. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma