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Fri, 1 Jan 2021 13:29:55 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83pn2og6ll.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F1D.5FEF23D4.0006, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=QoAgIm6d c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=RWNP4h07Kzh8tXuJr7kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_FVE-zBwftR9WsbkzFJk:22 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:197133 Archived-At: 1 jan. 2021 kl. 13.54 skrev Eli Zaretskii : >> Why do they have to be 100 % identical? >=20 > Because you use the differences that exist now as argument for the > change you proposed. If the differences between what we have in Info > and what we have in describe-key are not important, then let's stop > using what the Info manual shows in this discussion. We have been talking past one another; I am partly to blame. Please = allow me to recap: It was suggested earlier in the discussion that people might be confused = about the meaning of M- and that it therefore would be better to = keep the old style despite its shortcomings. The Info = manual's apparent and pervasive use of the logical style indicates that = such concerns are unlikely to be well-founded. It is not an argument about how the manual (in any format) should = present key bindings. Nor is the Info manual's style the reason for the = change; it merely supports the claim that the logical style is = well-understood and not controversial in the least. The improvement demands no change from the users at all. Their code and = init files will continue to work as before. They will occasionally see = keys pretty-printed in a more logical way, in help screens and menus. It = is not a momentous change but there is benefit, and no harm.