From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Van L Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31614: Off Topic (was: bug#31614) Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 21:05:35 +1000 Message-ID: References: <30619002-269A-47C4-8EB3-CEACCE55E4C0@scratch.space> <7390947A-8234-4D5C-8738-307C4606C038@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527505450 11785 195.159.176.226 (28 May 2018 11:04:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 11:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31614@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 28 13:04:06 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fNFwa-0002yX-I6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Mon, 28 May 2018 13:05:39 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <7390947A-8234-4D5C-8738-307C4606C038@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:146630 Archived-At: > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > You are saying that the Texinfo manual uses ASCII quotes, and = therefore > the opening and closing quotes are identical? If so, the place to > complain about that is the Texinfo mailing list. The point of TeX is beautiful typesetting. I don=E2=80=99t want to create another bug report for why (+ 2 2)=20 gives the ``complication=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 by default 4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d) and not the simple 4 Emacs 26.1-rc1 (NS Port) and Emacs 25.3 (Mac Port) both produce 4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d) In the below, it is not possible to set=20 `eval-expression-print-maximum-character=E2=80=99 to `nil=E2=80=99 to=20 achieve the simple `4=E2=80=99 result.=20 `M-x customize=E2=80=99 wants a number for 26.1-rc1 and the default is = 127.=20 #+NAME: simple.el.gz #+BEGIN_SRC elisp n=3D1535 If the resulting value is an integer, and CHAR-PRINT-LIMIT is non-nil (interactively, unless given a positive prefix argument) it will be printed in several additional formats (octal, hexadecimal, and character). The character format is only used if the value is below CHAR-PRINT-LIMIT (interactively, if the prefix argument is -1 or the value is below `eval-expression-print-maximum-character'). #+END_SRC #+NAME: eval-expression-print-maximum-character #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE eval-expression-print-maximum-character is a variable defined in = =E2=80=98simple.el=E2=80=99. Its value is 127 Documentation: The largest integer that will be displayed as a character. This affects printing by =E2=80=98eval-expression=E2=80=99 (via =E2=80=98eval-expression-print-format=E2=80=99). You can customize this variable. This variable was introduced, or its default value was changed, in version 26.1 of Emacs. #+END_EXAMPLE The backtrace diff I submitted in another bug needs undoing=20 because I believe the simple `4' result is better to keep in the earlier = lisp intro. Details about ``complications=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 is bulk the lisp intro = can separate into a different book.=20