From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>
Cc: 8492@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#8492: 23.3; Time to use a different binding for completion?
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:54:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTim6V03SG+EXMuOvKZabv1k71u0Smw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinD-Z0-KwZCKhioeUio03XsU_HJuw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> wrote:
> On 21 April 2011 19:49, Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > Currently, the "usable default" is ESC TAB.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Which does not work at all if you use Viper.
>>>> >
>>>> > We should not change Emacs default bindings based on the
>>>> > bindings of Viper - or of any other emulator - or of any
>>>> > other mode etc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your view, Drew, but I found this statement of you just
>>>> unusable and unnecessary here.
>>>
>>> You claim that a given default key "does not work at all" if you put yourself in
>>> a special emulation mode. So what? If I play chess in checkers mode should I
>>> expect the default, chess binding of each piece to still "work" in checkers?
>>
>> This is just plain stupid. Viper is not just any emulation mode. It
>> happen to be key bindings a lot of potential and current Emacs users
>> knows.
>
> I don't understand why there's even an argument here. Viper is a mode
> with a radically different approach to keybinding, so what does it
> have to do with the default keybindings? It's clearly unreasonable to
> expect default single-chord keybindings to take it into account.
The same has been said about CUA-bindings. Both cua-mode and viper are
parts of Emacs and parts that many users depends on. There are other
emulations that are not that important. In fact I do not know of any
people still using the other emulations.
But the fact is that many people using Emacs depends on cua-mode and
viper. Not taking facts into account is not a good real world
reasoning.
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-13 17:26 bug#8492: 23.3; Time to use a different binding for completion? Reuben Thomas
2011-04-15 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-15 22:53 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-15 23:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-19 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-19 13:01 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-19 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-19 18:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-24 18:08 ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-24 19:43 ` Drew Adams
2011-04-24 19:55 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-19 10:52 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2011-04-19 12:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-20 11:54 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-20 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-20 13:22 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-20 14:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-20 14:49 ` Sven Joachim
2011-04-20 16:41 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-04-20 17:11 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-04-20 18:28 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-04-20 22:02 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 0:13 ` Sean Sieger
2011-04-21 6:02 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-04-20 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-20 22:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-20 21:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-20 14:07 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-04-20 15:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-04-20 18:28 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-20 22:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-20 22:49 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-20 21:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-20 22:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-04-20 22:51 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-21 12:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 14:13 ` Drew Adams
2011-04-21 18:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 19:34 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-21 19:54 ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2011-04-21 20:14 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-21 20:55 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 21:08 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-22 13:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-22 17:33 ` Reuben Thomas
2011-04-22 18:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-22 21:01 ` Sean Sieger
2011-04-22 21:09 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-22 20:44 ` Sean Sieger
2021-10-21 19:44 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-21 19:45 ` Reuben Thomas via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-21 20:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-22 6:30 ` Phil Sainty
2021-10-22 8:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-04-29 12:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-29 13:22 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-29 13:25 ` Reuben Thomas via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-29 13:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-29 15:14 ` Drew Adams
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