From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8492: 23.3; Time to use a different binding for completion? Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:47:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87zknuhxl4.fsf@sc3d.org> <773F1105A680404C90121E510917AFAF@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1303481260 2005 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2011 14:07:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8492@debbugs.gnu.org To: Reuben Thomas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 22 16:07:36 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QDH1E-0007ny-DN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:07:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48428 helo=lists2.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QDH1D-0005ZR-My for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:07:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51999) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QDH18-0005RW-W0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:07:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QDH17-0002iV-5C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:07:30 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35055) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QDH17-0002i7-3Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:07:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QDGjF-0000bM-VG; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:49:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8492 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8492-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8492.13034801032264 (code B ref 8492); Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:49:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8492) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2011 13:48:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QDGic-0000aS-EP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:48:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QDGia-0000aE-7M for 8492@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:48:20 -0400 Original-Received: by ewy19 with SMTP id 19so212039ewy.3 for <8492@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:48:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=rdHBxvM1GpZT7vh42VZ+beK1ndtUvbT3jISW24ytNxk=; b=qq0so+FnW/0exxNvPsiumMMpXARqNGqWA8dIhPyRtK1w4xps9Tp8O79mQB+b+gqxqz 1r3eMXouIvKvXQACVYkh0wXQ45yX1xJ0YdLNVvWNWVYJQZY0vQh/Y9tlen79vUNHtKh5 ltHhhuGQBhXUG1NqY733PMWsQljf6g0ylX8qc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=moqId62Wj+Q5rvx9L8mCDdyS3G6TZ11Z0733RoEkod5DQkO47y8QqijuMIR0TdSsZl lTkejLzETRZSFeIcjQuPfIdYiasQmpFLFxZp1mUnqg/WgoWwirFywRa6ghJRXkkzijPO rdfYNqtpq2yo2jytPOpEHSwHfb2h6Ay56ITaU= Original-Received: by 10.213.35.131 with SMTP id p3mr238087ebd.58.1303480094259; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.213.23.8 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:49:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:45943 Archived-At: On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Reuben Thomas wrote: > On 21 April 2011 21:55, Lennart Borgman wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Reuben Thomas wrote: >>> On 21 April 2011 20:54, Lennart Borgman wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> But the fact is that many people using Emacs depends on cua-mode and >>>> viper. >>> >>> Sure, so from time to time those bindings have to be updated when new >>> incompatibilities arise with the default Emacs bindings. How is that a >>> big deal? >> >> >> The big deal is that it is Emacs that has to accommodate its default >> bindings since the world outside is so much bigger. > > How is Viper or CUA the world outside? They are mirrors of the outside world. And users of them want this mirror to be exact in certain cases. > To give just one example each, Viper is, following vi, modal: keys > that in Emacs are always bound to self-insert-command are bound to > editing commands in viper's command mode; in CUA, C-x is used for cut, > whereas in Emacs's default bindings it's a prefix. So it's not even > hypothetical: there are already fundamental incompatibilities. Why, > therefore, the fuss about another (potential) incompatibility? If you do not think this is a problem then I guess you also could accept an argument for moving for example C-x in Emacs to another key?