From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9571: 24.0.50; user option to turn off bidi, please Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:13:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316697233 31393 80.91.229.12 (22 Sep 2011 13:13:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 22 15:13:48 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6j63-0006yq-BQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:13:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56347 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6j62-0004ga-PI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:13:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50616) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6j5z-0004fn-E3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:13:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6j5y-0002BA-A6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:13:43 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58436) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6j5y-0002B3-6t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:13:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6j6I-0000dh-De for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:14:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9571 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 9571-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9571.13166972182422 (code B ref 9571); Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2011 13:13:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6j5u-0000d0-09 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:13:38 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6j5r-0000cs-Lh for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p8MDD9s3010618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:13:11 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8MDD7AT018769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:13:08 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8MDD1ep020882; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.57.136) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:13:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acx5I5u0u+Lwo5gzTb+MhT8gO0cy1AABFBwQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4E7B3469.0068,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:14:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51664 Archived-At: > > 1. That's not very user-friendly. We should have a user option that > > does this, i.e., gives users an easy way to disable this > > feature if they don't want to use it. > > Why would we need an option for that other than for debugging > purposes? Uh, to give "users an easy way to disable this feature if they don't want to use it." Can you imagine that there are some Emacs users who do not _ever_ need or want to edit bidirectional text? Just like there are some users who never need or want to use SQL code editing features, or image-library features, or Emacs-based mail, or... Why make such users figure out that they need to put a `setq-default' in their .emacs to get back (as much as possible) the traditional behavior (and possibly/hopefully eliminate some of the bidi overhead)? I understand that it is apparently hard to make bidi support entirely optional, e.g., remove all of the overhead even if turned off. But it has also been advised that _if_ you want to turn bidi editing off, setting this variable to nil is the way to do it. So make it a user option. Only those users who want to turn it off will turn it off - what's the problem? Why not give users that control and ease of control?