From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ken Raeburn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21473: 24.5; very slow tooltip display to sort-of-slow remote display Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 05:30:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9F31D581-6B5A-42B7-8031-6920089AFFF4@permabit.com> <83pp15hdbg.fsf@gnu.org> <59C0A752-87BB-4467-9A3F-DC1E5A278842@permabit.com> <83612wf8pr.fsf@gnu.org> <83si5wbcap.fsf@gnu.org> <6ebnci3o1s.fsf@just-testing.permabit.com> <83oagf0xx5.fsf@gnu.org> <5AFBFA9B-153C-4CFB-8864-BAB733413B11@permabit.com> <83a8ry1kyt.fsf@gnu.org> <9CBD7FEC-C4BC-4FD8-8FE1-9760C2113DAC@permabit.com> <831td925nh.fsf@gnu.org> <08005C15-1EEE-46DE-B608-BDAE091E7F4F@permabit.com> <83mvvwyavf.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444123884 27352 80.91.229.3 (6 Oct 2015 09:31:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21473@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 06 11:31:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjOaW-0006r9-Fj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 11:31:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49842 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjOaV-0006U3-Kv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 05:31:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40734) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjOaR-0006Ss-Hr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 05:31:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjOaM-0005em-Hz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 05:31:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:38756) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjOaM-0005ed-EO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 05:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjOaM-000637-Ax for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 05:31:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ken Raeburn Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 09:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21473 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21473-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21473.144412385023235 (code B ref 21473); Tue, 06 Oct 2015 09:31:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21473) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2015 09:30:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55960 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjOa9-00062h-Lw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 05:30:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qg0-f51.google.com ([209.85.192.51]:35492) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjOa6-00062X-0d for 21473@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 05:30:47 -0400 Original-Received: by qgt47 with SMTP id 47so169197601qgt.2 for <21473@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 02:30:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=permabit.com; s=google; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=gGpHlW9wK04vmS9f4UnqjHb6k/W2j1xoaNp11U6xQzs=; b=SLUf346iEjSE7UtDxvOaTh3wgoCLBfE+KcangQGGXdCTgUoryMWjIc2ef4+wFBqBc3 Xg2nWSFM6Gz72Ysa1BjrHdf0fz2nzT0kdJneosnaHh+5+MvGU60Wh118nHfp/98IqGAY B+sqWuQCY5kwlP+hdzN3yHE5LZD5CyU7lWhI8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=gGpHlW9wK04vmS9f4UnqjHb6k/W2j1xoaNp11U6xQzs=; b=fLycq7YwJ4S/Tfgii4pfJ9YMFdDbe/XsQLign2MvHXJvZdh7wpL2guzcRxuGDO8YJu Gl2fiIinbBu/DVEMr5aecbO+x+i2O7nPhOm5CXvCEGELGiDo9B+pb0WImmI5kqsd3JaO GR38Jy8UC3zBR9BnasSjpOCmlU2j0JIVzH+uPuZNJq0OYJqw3/P7yvnGT5f5qdh5bMsG 0DGL4eM1LMfIVa1zhJYAnW+tM5QEnJhxxg3/PolbvcIf/Rk5MYrWP8nJxcrTJNA4ShQg 7IfIqaR8oRQROGLm+2pcN/fLfwYhTsD/tcGERof0Z+5RsMfI2MLMJOqYHyP/3g77OWwT bKKg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnQPPdoiGnN6QuAd/stVNjjJiwUgD1ZzwKiUYWIBZBZ5gRD7Gx30ESFlpAKlKDDgXTWDaPX X-Received: by 10.141.28.69 with SMTP id f66mr45347588qhe.67.1444123845519; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 02:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.17.111] (c-66-31-203-101.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [66.31.203.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z2sm13467519qkz.20.2015.10.06.02.30.43 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Oct 2015 02:30:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83mvvwyavf.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:107360 Archived-At: > On Oct 5, 2015, at 22:44, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Ken Raeburn >> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 22:15:44 -0400 >> Cc: 21473@debbugs.gnu.org >>=20 >>>> Ah, sorry. Yes, it seems to work okay, as far as I can tell, and = cuts out 11 round trips. With a remote display I=E2=80=99m able to move = the mouse into the tooltip window for a few seconds before it goes away, = and (at least on my display) it=E2=80=99s showing a basic black arrow = pointer. >>>=20 >>> Is that black arrow mouse pointer different from what you see if the >>> call to x_set_mouse_color is retained? >>=20 >> No, it appears to be the same. >=20 > So I suggest to install such a change. Do you have a patch that can > be used? It looks like I was mistaken. It appears that it was using the arrow = only because that=E2=80=99s the default pointer shape for the X root = window. According to some of the X docs I was reading, if the = =E2=80=9Ccursor=E2=80=9D (pointer shape) is never defined for a window, = then the window uses the value from the parent window. If I change the root window=E2=80=99s default pointer shape, then when = the mouse is in the tooltip window it also uses that shape. I doubt = that=E2=80=99s what we want; one of the shapes used by Emacs would be = better, even if we only allow one to be used for that frame. Then again, = if the window is supposed to go away quickly, maybe we don=E2=80=99t = care at all? On a slow, remote link, there can be enough lag for the = pointer to be visible in the tooltip window for a good half second at = least. The odd part: It appears that it=E2=80=99s already broken, even with the = call to x_set_mouse_color being applied to the tooltip frame. I=E2=80=99m = still getting whatever odd cursor shape I installed for the root window. = This is with the Xquartz server on OS X; I=E2=80=99ll try later with the = X.org server. Ken=