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There are other changes we could make that would > really help users do editing. > > Here's an easy way to help users avoid such collisions: to say > they should include a name in each anonymous lambda that they put on a > hook in their init files -- a name based on the user's name. > > Adding a name to a lambda is easy. Just write the symbol after the > argument list (and doc string and interactive spec, if any), like > this: > > (lambda () rms-init-3 (glum-mode 1)) > > The mame will distinguish it from any otherwise-identical function > such as > > (lambda () j-r-gensym (glum-mode 1)) > > because they will not be equal. > > Thus, the only change needed is in documentation. If they are equal, why do they need to be distinguished? Also, if we name lambdas, arent they becoming just as functions? What is the advantage of named lambda over named function? Sorry I am not so fluent with elisp yet, so I am trying to understand.