From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7561: Soft hyphens should probably normally not be shown Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:42:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291664751 18493 80.91.229.12 (6 Dec 2010 19:45:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7561@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 06 20:45:40 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PPh0F-0007jR-QX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:45:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43649 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PPh0F-00087v-A1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:45:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56622 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PPh06-00082Z-SH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:45:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PPh04-0001z5-H4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:45:30 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45540) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PPh04-0001yx-B6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:45:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PPgss-0001w9-NC; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:38:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7561 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7561-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7561.12916642407386 (code B ref 7561); Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:38:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2010 19:37:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PPgsB-0001v4-Nq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:37:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PPgs9-0001ur-SR for 7561@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:37:18 -0500 Original-Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so6408652eyd.3 for <7561@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:43:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yuYmKNTzPVQnZmjPSWiZMIFb5pvChsOrjW0PIyMJCkQ=; b=Qug6v1GKtI0oGg8TwltOuK8jvvLc9a1df6Wo35GS7RvPsdVpoJhqraNyBblrGfvnN8 d7spXcvSUWiLu4k9/7WgHtgx7fDz3ZRR0/snMWNn/MTf3VyTUkBuo90RJCe10Zc9mBai PlQQJP0UQGKq70ggUJJNQ0JwOQscADNY+cFUE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NBHc4DEefh+ggOhGkdQ8fbi6wThEbPtfbxGD2tZXLF6+plUtlQ8fyAS8Bhve9kc6aq xU6qniC7lXIMqQuWR/eVd1hO+vwbBO7qNN3ObiKUyu6EFLXk97NpIwRX6Avar57wCoaD jqvvjwAr3zmQXskiR1DlAlEDFJzOJDCAaluEQ= Original-Received: by 10.213.5.5 with SMTP id 5mr6118431ebt.84.1291664589270; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:43:09 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.213.29.8 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:42:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:38:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42221 Archived-At: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Stefan Monnier w= rote: >> The soft hyphen (173) is currently shown in the buffer. That is >> unexpected to me though it seems to be a "hard problem": > >> =C2=A0 Soft hyphen (SHY) - a hard problem? >> =C2=A0 http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/shy.html > >> I would expect it to be shown only if a line break happens within a word= . > > Regardless of the controversies over its actual semantics, Emacs > historically has tended to display all chars (control or not), because > it is meant to give you access to the markup rather than its rendering. > > Admittedly, over time, Emacs has added various wysiwyg-ish features, but > it is still the case that completely hiding a char, by default, is > considered as undesirable since it makes it more difficult to manipulate > it (delete/insert/move/...). > > So if/when we decide to hide such a char, it will be under the control > of something like a variable which a major-mode can set to indicate that > this buffer is meant as the rendering of a piece of text, rather than > meant for editing that text. That sounds very reasonable to me.