From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11176: 24.0.94; Why the prefix arg behavior for `customize-apropos'? 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What is the point of showing those in a Customize buffer? And the State menu offers these actions for such an uncustomizable variable (and offers more if you edit the comment): 1. Show saved Lisp expression. 2. Add comment. #1 makes no sense - there is no saved Lisp expression, and there is no non-Lisp value display possible for such a variable. #2 makes no sense, unless I'm missing something. You are actually able to add a comment, but you of course cannot save the edit. You can undo the edit. But you cannot remove the comment, even if it is empty. If the comment is not empty, then you can "set" the variable for the current session. All of that seems meaningless to me, but maybe I'm missing something. Also, AFAICT, the use of a prefix arg with `customize-apropos' is explained nowhere in the manual(s). A user trying to figure out what it is for is in for some wondering... In GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-03-19 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include'