From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9877: 24.0.90; `report-emacs-bug' is even more broken now Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1319651250 16001 80.91.229.12 (26 Oct 2011 17:47:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:47:30 +0000 (UTC) To: 9877@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 26 19:47:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ7ZU-00051N-1P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:47:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54203 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ7ZT-0004KG-Iw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Can't you define a simple UI for sending a bug report using emacs -Q? It goes from bad to worse! Not only do users still need to jump through the same silly hoops (edit the `From' field from its "...tickle" silliness, etc.), but now you make them answer another question, with 4 paragraphs(!) of explanation to try to make it clear. Those paragraphs alone should be a signal to you that you are on the WRONG TRACK. "Send mail via: Emacs is about to send an email message, but it has not been configured for sending email. To tell Emacs how to send email: - Type `mail client' to start your default email client and pass it the message text. - Type `smtp' to send mail directly to an "outgoing mail" server. (Emacs may prompt you for SMTP settings). Emacs will record your selection and will use it thereafter. To change it later, customize the option `send-mail-function'." And no, Emacs is NOT "about to send an email message" - not if you use your own mail client. You are still so Gnus-centric that you cannot see the forest for the trees. Users reporting a bug with emacs -Q SHOULD NOT HAVE TO "tell Emacs how to send email". Emacs does NOT need to know how to send email if a user has a mail client. And Emacs does NOT need to SEND email in that case. And NO, Emacs will NOT record your selection and use it thereafter. Not if you are using emacs -Q. This boilerplate is totally inappropriate for emacs -Q, and it should be removed even when a user init file is used. You need to totally rethink/redesign this nonsense. There was ZERO problem in prior Emacs releases: Users could send a bug report using emacs -Q without jumping through ANY hoops. This is only a regression. You made a giant leap BACKWARD. Now you've moved even further BACKWARD. And you're still headed BACKWARD. Try to think of the USERS. Think of a newbie who tries to help you by sending a bug report using emacs -Q (as you request). And stop thinking so much about promoting Emacs as an email client - that has, apparently, been behind all of this misguided silliness. In GNU Emacs 24.0.90.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-10-24 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --cflags -I"D:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include" -I"D:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src" -I"D:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include" -I"D:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include" -I"D:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include" -I"D:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include" -I"D:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include" -I"D:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-2.10.1/include" --ldflags -L"D:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-2.10.1/lib"'