From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12294: 24.2.50; `C-h m' in Buffer Menu - regresssion Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:12:42 -0700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1346166797 24732 80.91.229.3 (28 Aug 2012 15:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:13:17 +0000 (UTC) To: 12294@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 28 17:13:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T6NTf-0001yX-Ki for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:13:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43615 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T6NTd-00055J-HL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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C-h m in the buffer menu is not user-oriented anymore. Instead, it tells you of matters that are essentially implementation-oriented. Before the doc-string change to Buffer-menu-mode, C-h m told users what the mode was actually about and how to use it - which is the purpose of C-h m. It listed important key bindings. Now, C-h m tells you how the mode is invoked! Of course, if you used C-h m then it has already been invoked! And then it goes on to tell you what the mode's parent mode is, etc. This is essentially information for Emacs-Lisp programmers or Emacs developers. Some users might be interested, and yes, they can click the link to `tabulated-list-mode' to get information about IT. But users are now losing out on a description of BUFFER MENU mode, which is what C-h m should give them, in Buffer Menu mode. It is all well and good to factor code, for the benefit of Emacs Dev maintenance etc. But please do not forget about Emacs USERS. Please restore the information that was there before, helping users understand and learn how to use Buffer Menu mode. Please do not just send users off to learn about Tabulated List mode. In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-08-26 on MARVIN Bzr revision: 109788 dmantipov@yandex.ru-20120827041533-3cy7pdjdqz14o90c Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2'