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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: 18340@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally'
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default> (raw)

Summary: Don't show a multi-line message for prompting `y-or-n-p'
in the echo area and expect users to see it.

The UI for `find-file-literally' depends on `resize-mini-windows' being
non-nil.  Not a good idea.  To see how bad it can be, set
`resize-mini-windows' to nil, then visit a file, then try to visit it
using `M-x find-file-literally'.  You see only this line in the echo
area, which is not even a question:

  The file foo.el is already visited normally.

Huh?  A user who sees that has no clue as to what is going on.

Beyond this design being incredibly ill-advised in general, it breaks
the use of a standalone minibuffer frame, for which
`resize-mini-windows' has no effect.  In my code, for example, I do this,
where `'1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame' resizes the minibuffer frame to fit
its current contents:

  (add-hook 'post-command-hook '1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame)

That of course has no effect during `read-key', which is what is used by
`y-or-n-p' (which is used by `find-file-literally').

`1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame' is also a command that increases the
minibuffer frame height by a line when it is repeated.  It is bound
in the minibuffer to `C-o'.  But of course that is ineffective for
something like `y-or-n-p', which does not use the minibuffer.

Please reimplement the multiple-line message and associated y-or-n
question for `find-file-literally', so that the message part is visible
somewhere outside of the echo area.  Pop up a separate window for it,
show it in a tooltip, or show it any number of other reasonable ways.


In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32)
 of 2014-08-15 on LEG570
Bzr revision: 117706 rgm@gnu.org-20140815043406-p5hbu97cbm7pulcn
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601
Configured using:
 `configure --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=-DGLYPH_DEBUG=1'





             reply	other threads:[~2014-08-27 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-27 21:37 Drew Adams [this message]
2016-05-04  0:59 ` bug#18340: 24.4.50; Bad UI for `find-file-literally' Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-05-04 14:47   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-10 22:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-11  1:06   ` bug#18340: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-11 11:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-11  6:17   ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-11 11:41     ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found] <<9fd1f4c3-a944-4305-9eb5-9f3a877d1b8b@default>
     [not found] ` <<877ffazlhj.fsf@gnus.org>
     [not found]   ` <<83futxkhhd.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-05-04 15:05     ` Drew Adams
2016-05-04 15:23       ` Eli Zaretskii

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