From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28597: 26.0.60; [Security] Configure should use --without-pop by default Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 16:20:26 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <9f1de57c-91a7-11bd-3db6-14e14026da99@cs.ucla.edu> References: <837ewh8x5z.fsf@gnu.org> <87ing17akt.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <834lrl75o6.fsf@gnu.org> <877ewh74oq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83mv5d5ngv.fsf@gnu.org> <87fub131om.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83y3ot1mmi.fsf@gnu.org> <83tvzh1j5n.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506986472 30373 195.159.176.226 (2 Oct 2017 23:21:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 23:21:12 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, rpluim@gmail.com, 28597@debbugs.gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 03 01:21:04 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzA1H-0006vf-Si for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Mon, 2 Oct 2017 16:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id mSTzDXsvnPAO; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 16:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46176160E05; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 16:20:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id LvOS19Z3lhxc; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 16:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28FB1160D98; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 16:20:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83tvzh1j5n.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:137807 Archived-At: On 10/02/2017 11:47 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > nagging users each time they invoke movemail to fetch via POP3 is > IMO unacceptable. Yes, that suggestion is problematic. But that (older) discussion is=20 somewhat independent of the current thread, which is about builders and=20 installers more than it is about users. > we also use an encrypted POP3 connection > _if_it's_available_, e.g. via Mailutils, Gnus, etc. The concern here is about RMAIL, which currently uses Emacs movemail in=20 the all-too-common case where Mailutils is not installed. In emacs-26=20 the relevant section of the Emacs manual (doc/emacs/rmail.texi) says for=20 the pop: protocol: "If the server supports it, =E2=80=98movemail=E2=80=99= tries to use=20 an encrypted connection=E2=80=94use the =E2=80=98pops=E2=80=99 form to re= quire one." This=20 documents 'pop:' as meaning "encrypt if the server supports encryption,=20 otherwise fall back on unencrypted", which is a natural expectation for=20 users nowadays and is how Thunderbird works by default; but it's not how=20 RMAIL works with Emacs movemail and 'pop:', as these connections are=20 always unencrypted. > I think we've cut enough slices of this salami, so let's stop, Does this mean, stop before installing the patch proposed in=20 Bug#28597#62, or stop after installing that patch? I hope it means the=20 latter. That patch attempts to implement your suggestion in=20 Bug#28597#32, as quoted below: > > From: Robert Pluim gmail.com> ... > >=20 > > I thought we were discussing making --without-pop be the default even > > if GNU Mailutils are not available, and it's what I'm > > advocating. Paul's patch only did that if they were found. > > If that's what people want, fine with me on Posix platforms, but not > on MS-Windows (where Mailutils are not available, and probably never > will be).