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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, rpluim@gmail.com, 28597@debbugs.gnu.org,
	jwiegley@gmail.com
Subject: bug#28597: 26.0.60; [Security] Configure should use --without-pop by default
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 16:20:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9f1de57c-91a7-11bd-3db6-14e14026da99@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83tvzh1j5n.fsf@gnu.org>

On 10/02/2017 11:47 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> nagging users each time they invoke movemail to fetch via POP3 is
> IMO unacceptable.

Yes, that suggestion is problematic. But that (older) discussion is 
somewhat independent of the current thread, which is about builders and 
installers more than it is about users.

> we also use an encrypted POP3 connection
> _if_it's_available_, e.g. via Mailutils, Gnus, etc.

The concern here is about RMAIL, which currently uses Emacs movemail in 
the all-too-common case where Mailutils is not installed. In emacs-26 
the relevant section of the Emacs manual (doc/emacs/rmail.texi) says for 
the pop: protocol: "If the server supports it, ‘movemail’ tries to use 
an encrypted connection—use the ‘pops’ form to require one." This 
documents 'pop:' as meaning "encrypt if the server supports encryption, 
otherwise fall back on unencrypted", which is a natural expectation for 
users nowadays and is how Thunderbird works by default; but it's not how 
RMAIL works with Emacs movemail and 'pop:', as these connections are 
always unencrypted.

> I think we've cut enough slices of this salami, so let's stop,

Does this mean, stop before installing the patch proposed in 
Bug#28597#62, or stop after installing that patch? I hope it means the 
latter. That patch attempts to implement your suggestion in 
Bug#28597#32, as quoted below:

> > From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> ...
> > 
> > I thought we were discussing making --without-pop be the default even
> > if GNU Mailutils are not available, and it's what I'm
> > advocating. Paul's patch only did that if they were found.
>
> If that's what people want, fine with me on Posix platforms, but not
> on MS-Windows (where Mailutils are not available, and probably never
> will be).






  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-02 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-25 15:11 bug#28597: 26.0.60; [Security] Configure should use --without-pop by default N. Jackson
2017-09-25 15:21 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-26  9:13   ` Robert Pluim
2017-09-26 15:39 ` Glenn Morris
2017-09-26 17:22 ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-26 18:51   ` John Wiegley
2017-09-29 13:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-29 14:05       ` Robert Pluim
2017-09-29 17:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-29 20:04           ` Robert Pluim
2017-10-02 16:29             ` Robert Pluim
2017-10-02 18:23               ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-03  8:09                 ` Robert Pluim
2017-10-03 14:34                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-03 15:03                     ` Robert Pluim
2017-10-03 15:42                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-03 22:47                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-04  7:14                     ` Robert Pluim
2017-10-16  2:34                       ` Noam Postavsky
2017-09-29 16:07       ` N. Jackson
2017-09-29 17:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-29 18:14           ` N. Jackson
2017-09-29 19:11             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-02 17:22               ` N. Jackson
2017-10-02 17:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-02 18:00                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-02 18:47                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-02 23:20                       ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2017-10-03  2:29                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-03 14:29                         ` N. Jackson
2017-10-03 14:55                           ` Robert Pluim
2017-10-03 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-02 18:00                 ` Paul Eggert

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