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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 24237-done@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24237: 24.5; (elisp)`Extended Menu Items', :filter warning
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 11:35:45 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9db900ad-aec6-4000-8537-a43d781c458e@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <<838s9ttxkk.fsf@gnu.org>>

> > > > > >  "use of a `menu-item' construct with a :filter
> > > > > >   to create a conditional _keyboard_ key binding.
> > > > > >   In such a case, the `menu-item' construct is not
> > > > > >   a real menu item - it is not placed on any menu."
> > >
> > > If this is never placed on the menu bar or on any pop-down menu, then
> > > what the manual says is not relevant, because redisplay only considers
> > > the menus that need to be displayed.
> >
> > 1. The manual's description of :filter is entirely
> > relevant to this use case - _except_ for that last
> > paragraph, which apparently erroneously assumes that
> > the only possible use of an extended menu item with
> > :filter is in a menu.
> 
> Since that last paragraph explicitly talks about displaying or acting
> on menus, I see no reason to change anything there.
> 
> >    a. You can bind an extended menu item that uses
> >       :filter to a keyboard key, to give it a
> >       dynamic binding (explaining what that means
> >       with an example).
> 
> IMO this is a kludge that we don't need to document.

It is indeed a kludge/workaround/hack.

It is also quite useful.  If you refuse to elevate it
to doc-worthiness, then please change this bug to an
enhancement request to provide the same feature
_without_ having to use `menu-item' with :filter.

Otherwise, I will I guess submit such an enhancement
request.  Elisp users shouldn't have to resort to an
undocumented kludge to get this useful behavior.

> > More generally, `menu-item' is not just about menus
> > and menu items.  This is not obvious.  And in
> > particular, it's not obvious that you can make good
> > use of :filter with a keyboard key.
> 
> menu-item is about menus, as its name says.  That it can be used for
> other purposes is an implementation detail.
> 
> And with that, I'm closing this bug report.

Ta da.





       reply	other threads:[~2020-12-19 19:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]                 ` <<838s9ttxkk.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-12-19 19:35                   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-12-20  0:05                     ` bug#24237: 24.5; (elisp)`Extended Menu Items', :filter warning Stefan Kangas
2020-12-20  1:23                       ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<<<6c4f5089-43fa-4ca1-a656-1ec1684df960@default>
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     [not found]         ` <<<83v9d5d1yd.fsf@gnu.org>
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     [not found]             ` <<83y2hut6m7.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-12-19 18:54               ` Drew Adams
2020-12-19 19:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<<6c4f5089-43fa-4ca1-a656-1ec1684df960@default>
     [not found] ` <<<87v9d67ox6.fsf@gnus.org>
     [not found]   ` <<<70cc884d-4f32-4a2e-b3f5-181709f2ca29@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<83blexeod5.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<e70746fb-1e56-4115-9fb8-1896c4e8b8d3@default>
     [not found]         ` <<83v9d5d1yd.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-12-13 19:52           ` Drew Adams
2020-12-19 10:47             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<6c4f5089-43fa-4ca1-a656-1ec1684df960@default>
     [not found] ` <<87v9d67ox6.fsf@gnus.org>
     [not found]   ` <<70cc884d-4f32-4a2e-b3f5-181709f2ca29@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83blexeod5.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-12-13 17:24       ` Drew Adams
2020-12-13 17:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-08-15 18:06 Drew Adams
2020-12-12 20:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-12 20:45   ` Drew Adams
2020-12-13 15:07     ` Eli Zaretskii

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