* bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command?
@ 2016-05-02 17:52 Drew Adams
2016-05-02 18:22 ` Kaushal Modi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2016-05-02 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 23428
Why was key `A' bound to a different command, with different behavior?
Why not just add the new command, with no key binding? If people want
to bind it to a key, you will find that out soon enough. And if they
want to replace the `A' binding you will find that out also.
In GNU Emacs 25.0.90.4 (i686-w64-mingw32)
of 2016-03-20
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601
Configured using:
`configure --host=i686-w64-mingw32 --without-dbus
--without-compress-install CFLAGS=-static'
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* bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command?
2016-05-02 17:52 bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command? Drew Adams
@ 2016-05-02 18:22 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-02 18:23 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-02 18:27 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Kaushal Modi @ 2016-05-02 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 23428, Drew Adams
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Hi Drew,
Here is the commit that made this changed to the `A' and `Q' bindings.
The NEWS file also notes this and provides an explanation for doing so:
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/etc/NEWS?id=bf21c84f0d3dab33b4836098b789eaddf9492b2a#n1276
*** New user interface for the 'A' and 'Q' commands.
These keys, now bound to 'dired-do-find-regexp' and
'dired-do-find-regexp-and-replace', work similarly to 'xref-find-apropos'
and 'xref-query-replace-in-results': they present the matches
in the '*xref*' buffer and let you move through the matches. No need
to use 'tags-loop-continue' to resume the search or replace loop. The
previous commands, 'dired-do-search' and
'dired-do-query-replace-regexp', are still available, but not bound to
keys; rebind 'A' and 'Q' to invoke them if you want the old behavior
back. We intend to obsolete the old commands in a future release.
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Kaushal Modi
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* bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command?
2016-05-02 18:22 ` Kaushal Modi
@ 2016-05-02 18:23 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-02 18:27 ` Drew Adams
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Kaushal Modi @ 2016-05-02 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 23428, Drew Adams
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>
> Here is the commit that made this changed to the `A' and `Q' bindings.
>
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?h=emacs-25&id=36b0729ce765c132e04586be0e2deca405b4c313
(forgot to paste the link earlier)
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* bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command?
2016-05-02 18:22 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-02 18:23 ` Kaushal Modi
@ 2016-05-02 18:27 ` Drew Adams
2016-05-02 18:29 ` Kaushal Modi
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2016-05-02 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kaushal Modi, 23428
> Here is the commit that made this changed to the `A' and `Q' bindings.
> The NEWS file also notes this and provides an explanation for doing so:
Yes, but why? Why is this a good thing, at the present time?
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* bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command?
2016-05-02 18:27 ` Drew Adams
@ 2016-05-02 18:29 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-02 18:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Kaushal Modi @ 2016-05-02 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams, 23428, Dmitry Gutov
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Adding Dmitry (as I do not use those bindings in dired, and so cannot
comment on how they improve the use).
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:27 PM Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> > Here is the commit that made this changed to the `A' and `Q' bindings.
> > The NEWS file also notes this and provides an explanation for doing so:
>
> Yes, but why? Why is this a good thing, at the present time?
>
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* bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command?
2016-05-02 18:29 ` Kaushal Modi
@ 2016-05-02 18:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-02 19:24 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2016-05-02 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kaushal Modi, Drew Adams, 23428
On 05/02/2016 09:29 PM, Kaushal Modi wrote:
> Adding Dmitry (as I do not use those bindings in dired, and so cannot
> comment on how they improve the use).
I believe the NEWS entry is self-evident. If not, look for the related
discussions in the emacs-devel archives.
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* bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command?
2016-05-02 18:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2016-05-02 19:24 ` Drew Adams
2016-05-02 19:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2016-05-02 19:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dmitry Gutov, Kaushal Modi, 23428
> I believe the NEWS entry is self-evident. If not, look for the related
> discussions in the emacs-devel archives.
I see no compelling reason given for why this key needs to
be repurposed for this new feature. What's the hurry?
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* bug#23428: 25.0.90; `A' binding in Dired - why change to a different command?
2016-05-02 19:24 ` Drew Adams
@ 2016-05-02 19:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-05-02 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: dgutov, 23428, kaushal.modi
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
>
> > I believe the NEWS entry is self-evident. If not, look for the related
> > discussions in the emacs-devel archives.
>
> I see no compelling reason given for why this key needs to
> be repurposed for this new feature. What's the hurry?
Because we want to stop using the etags routines.
Once again, please read the discussions, the reasons are all there.
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