From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Van Ly Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress Message-ID: <98cedd-8240-537b-a738-6c4ddc609112@SDF.ORG> References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@SDF.ORG> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@gnu.org> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@SDF.ORG> <83y23k2bxd.fsf@gnu.org> <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@SDF.ORG> <83o84f3j65.fsf@gnu.org> <9a641db5-38aa-c751-292e-e3fe3ee09cd0@SDF.ORG> <83ilun3fwx.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36167"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 53188@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 14 11:31:12 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n8JrT-0009Cs-NE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:31:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56598 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8JrS-0001RX-DO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 05:31:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8JrK-0001RB-OD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 05:31:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:42814) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8JrK-0006a2-ED for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 05:31:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8JrJ-0004zK-No for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 05:31:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53188 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 53188-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53188.164215621219087 (code B ref 53188); Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:31:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2022 10:30:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35714 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8JqV-0004xn-LB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 05:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62291) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8JqR-0004wZ-NB for 53188@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 05:30:10 -0500 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 20EAU68U003425 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:30:06 GMT Original-Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 20EAU5QD014216; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:30:05 GMT In-Reply-To: <83ilun3fwx.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224194 Archived-At: On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:24:43 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Van Ly >> cc: 53188@debbugs.gnu.org >> >>> So you are actually asking for a new feature, whereby the tooltips are >>> not shown at all, is that right? >>> >> >> No. I think, I'm asking for the echo area to be readable when text >> is there. > > Then I don't understand what you wanted to say by this part: > >>>> I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to >>>> contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't >>>> get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. > > This seems to mean that you don't want the tooltip text to be > displayed in the echo area. But if it isn't displayed in the echo > area, where do you want it to be displayed? > Come to think of it, what I'd like is a volume dial for adjusting the verbosity level closer to zero in the echo area and as a fallback I can always jump to the *Messages* buffer and see. The unwanted tooltip text can pool there. Maybe, the verbosity levels can be . 100% All . 75% Chatty . 50% Balanced . 25% Important only . 0% Quiet Specific to this bug report. The problem is the modeline context menu gets in the way of reading the echo area and the fix is, as you've said, is for an avoid area hint to tell modeline context menu where to go. >> When I've disabled the text associated with the tooltip by >> setting tooltip-mode to nil, I assumed I wouldn't have reached this >> point where I have to ask for the tooltip text not to show. > > The doc string of tooltip-mode says, among other things: > > When Tooltip mode is disabled, Emacs displays help text in the > echo area, instead of making a pop-up window. > ah, without confirming the in the documentation, I was in the mistaken belief when tooltip mode is disabled the associated text description is on mute or masked out. Thanks. -- vl