From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:13:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <95a4cc54-4d8d-4b89-ac03-376f037f1d1e@default> References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> <87pndt43ie.fsf@stefankangas.se> <87mu8x40x3.fsf@stefankangas.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="68194"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 03 22:14:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j9Erm-000Hfl-A7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:13:11 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yg1emsnvd-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 21:13:11 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 023LD9HB015844; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:13:09 GMT In-Reply-To: <87mu8x40x3.fsf@stefankangas.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9549 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003030135 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9549 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003030134 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:176814 Archived-At: > > I don't see how it would be backward > > compatible. How so? >=20 > I mean that it would not change the current binding for C--. I see. Yes, thanks. (You meant that, unlike changing C-+/-, it wouldn't be backward incompatible.) > > 1. It doesn't help with the argument currently > > being given, which is that users are used to > > `C-+/-'. `s-+/-' doesn't help at all, given > > such a habit, does it? >=20 > I personally agree with Richard that C-- and C-+ is a better default > and I also think it's okay if negative prefix argument is only on M--. > However, Eli has stated in Bug#28182 that he doesn't want a backward > incompatible change. >=20 > AFAICT, s-- and s-+ has some precedence. It's used in Sublime > Text. Atom and VSCode use C-- and C-+. This is from searching the > web. OK, but it won't help with a habit of using `C-+/-' to zoom. That was my point here. > > 2. We already have `C-x +/-'. Why would we need > > or want two such sets of keys, by default? >=20 > Familiarity and ease of use. That might be an argument for switching to `s-+/-' _instead_ of `C-x C-+/-' (familiarity, at least for Sublime users). But I don't see how it argues for having both, by default. > BTW, we have more than two such keys:=20 > C-x C-+ text-scale-adjust > C-x C-- text-scale-adjust > C-x C-0 text-scale-adjust > C-x C-=3D text-scale-adjust Yes. And the `C-0' behavior would still be needed, using some key sequence. Which is (IMO) another argument against using `C-+' and `C--'. `C-x' followed by `C--', `C-0' or `C-+' kinda makes sense (mnemonic). Where would we put the `C-0' behavior, for the proposal to change to `C-+/-'? Likewise, for convenience, a `s-=3D' alias would also still be needed/wanted for `s-+', for the same reason - no need to use `Shift'. So we would be talking about some key (maybe `s-0'?) for what `C-x C-0' does, plus sacrificing `s-+', `s-=3D', and `s--'. So four keys. Plus apparently keeping `C-x C--', `C-x C-0', `C-x C-+', and `C-x C-=3D'.