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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 28182@debbugs.gnu.org,
	jidanni@jidanni.org
Subject: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:13:08 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <95a4cc54-4d8d-4b89-ac03-376f037f1d1e@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mu8x40x3.fsf@stefankangas.se>

> > I don't see how it would be backward
> > compatible.  How so?
> 
> I mean that it would not change the current binding for C--.

I see.  Yes, thanks.  (You meant that,
unlike changing C-+/-, it wouldn't be
backward incompatible.)

> > 1. It doesn't help with the argument currently
> >    being given, which is that users are used to
> >    `C-+/-'.  `s-+/-' doesn't help at all, given
> >    such a habit, does it?
> 
> I personally agree with Richard that C-- and C-+ is a better default
> and I also think it's okay if negative prefix argument is only on M--.
> However, Eli has stated in Bug#28182 that he doesn't want a backward
> incompatible change.
> 
> AFAICT, s-- and s-+ has some precedence.  It's used in Sublime
> Text.  Atom and VSCode use C-- and C-+.  This is from searching the
> web.

OK, but it won't help with a habit of using
`C-+/-' to zoom.  That was my point here.

> > 2. We already have `C-x +/-'.  Why would we need
> >    or want two such sets of keys, by default?
> 
> Familiarity and ease of use.

That might be an argument for switching to `s-+/-'
_instead_ of `C-x C-+/-' (familiarity, at least
for Sublime users).  But I don't see how it argues
for having both, by default.

> BTW, we have more than two such keys: 
>      C-x C-+         text-scale-adjust
>      C-x C--         text-scale-adjust
>      C-x C-0         text-scale-adjust
>      C-x C-=         text-scale-adjust

Yes.  And the `C-0' behavior would still be
needed, using some key sequence.

Which is (IMO) another argument against using
`C-+' and `C--'.  `C-x' followed by `C--',
`C-0' or `C-+' kinda makes sense (mnemonic).
Where would we put the `C-0' behavior, for
the proposal to change to `C-+/-'?

Likewise, for convenience, a `s-=' alias
would also still be needed/wanted for `s-+',
for the same reason - no need to use `Shift'.

So we would be talking about some key (maybe
`s-0'?) for what `C-x C-0' does, plus
sacrificing `s-+', `s-=', and `s--'.  So four
keys.

Plus apparently keeping `C-x C--', `C-x C-0',
`C-x C-+', and `C-x C-='.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-03 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-29 23:06 bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-01  3:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-01  5:23   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-01 15:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-02  0:23       ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03  3:37   ` Richard Stallman
2020-03-03 15:32     ` Drew Adams
2020-03-03 16:31       ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 19:55       ` Stefan Kangas
2017-08-22  3:05         ` bug#28182: maybe implement CTRL++ to zoom text 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-22 12:30           ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-22 14:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 14:16             ` Richard Stallman
2017-08-23 17:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 23:05               ` Tak Kunihiro
2017-08-23 23:23                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 14:57           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 15:55             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 16:05           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 16:19             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 23:11           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2017-08-23 23:28             ` Drew Adams
2019-08-21  1:51           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-21  2:12             ` Drew Adams
2019-08-21 13:19               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-24 22:06                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-27  0:40                   ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-27 21:13                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-09-28 13:09                       ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-28 13:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-28 14:15                           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-29  1:09                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29  1:40                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-09-29  7:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 15:33                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29 15:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 15:37                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-29 15:44                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29 23:36                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-30  3:52                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-09-30  6:16                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-30  9:02                                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-09-30  9:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-02 20:17                                             ` Alan Third
2019-09-30 14:57                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15  6:42                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-15 14:15                                             ` Drew Adams
2019-10-16  3:29                                               ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-15 17:51                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-16  3:27                                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-05 23:56                             ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-06 17:28                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 19:59                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-07 18:22                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08 14:56                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-08 21:58                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-09  6:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 21:56                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10  7:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-11  0:18                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-10  8:00                                             ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-11  0:24                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-11  5:53                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-13 22:05                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-09 20:54                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-03 20:03           ` bug#28182: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 20:24         ` Drew Adams
2020-03-03 20:51           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-03-03 21:04             ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2020-03-03 21:13             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-08-05 12:08         ` bug#28182: " Lars Ingebrigtsen

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