From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10873: 24.0.93; `report-emacs-bug' obscures bug-reporting buffer (!) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 10:00:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <940265f7-1601-40d3-a8a8-e508d1575d61@default> References: <1716A09ADF16453DAA29A726CB402BA5@us.oracle.com> <87sirsc1lg.fsf@building.gnus.org> <281e9d1f-0853-4498-bd4f-7510213c0cab@default> <43f2b0b2-fafc-43a9-b56a-120b90878cbc@default> <838u4hk0um.fsf@gnu.org> <56800C2E.80300@gmx.at> <83bn9bhna2.fsf@gnu.org> <56801A87.7050107@gmx.at> <8360zjhkyh.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451239348 8392 80.91.229.3 (27 Dec 2015 18:02:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10873@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Eli Zaretskii , martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 27 19:02:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDFe0-0008LF-Ot for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 19:02:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42334 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDFdy-0006wO-Pj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:02:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34067) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDFdu-0006vh-LY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:02:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDFdr-0006BW-Eh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:02:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDFdr-0006BE-BY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:02:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aDFdq-0002oG-32 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:02:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10873 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10873-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10873.145123926710723 (code B ref 10873); Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10873) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2015 18:01:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44682 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aDFcw-0002mt-QZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:01:06 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:24284) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aDFcv-0002ln-NB for 10873@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:01:05 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBRI0xcB014629 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:01:00 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBRI0wmQ000816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:00:59 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBRI0wbq032141; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:00:58 GMT In-Reply-To: <8360zjhkyh.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:110812 Archived-At: > They can always display that window when they want to. They know it > existed, so they will know where and how to look. Yes, that's probably OK, if the window is not deleted. But that can be quite cumbersome for users. Some might not even know how to display it. I would hope that this approach to a solution is not necessary. I would sooner see the report window and the help window combined. And perhaps shown in a separate frame. I think that would interfere the least with the user's context. > OTOH, having the bug-report buffer not show at all is much worse: a > user who is not very fluent in reporting bugs, or maybe even does that > for the first time, will never know what to look for. >=20 > > So to be sure: Does the present report warrant the proposed solution? >=20 > If you can propose a better one that has fewer potential problems, I'm > all ears. If not, let's solve this bug that way. We must solve it. See above: Why not a separate frame for reporting? (At least for the graphic-display case. I don't even know whether or how this bug manifests itself for the console case.)