From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22058: 25.1.50; emacs_backtrace.txt Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 07:10:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <929593b8-ad63-4b4a-9587-1eef6e821cc6@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1448896299 23545 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2015 15:11:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22058@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 16:11:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Q6n-0001Cp-MR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:11:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41489 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Q6n-0008AM-5q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:11:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33072) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Q6e-00088v-2w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:11:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Q6Y-0007G8-BI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:11:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43284) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Q6Y-0007G4-7v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:11:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Q6X-0001L3-Qp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:11:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 22058-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22058.14488962465123 (code B ref 22058); Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:11:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22058) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2015 15:10:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32992 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Q6H-0001KY-A0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:10:46 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:42254) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Q5w-0001Jd-96 for 22058@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:10:42 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tAUFALiL028221 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:10:23 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAUFAKcq018388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:10:21 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAUFAKRq021948; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:10:20 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:109441 Archived-At: > Can you reproduce this with debugging on? No; sorry. > Such a stack trace offers nothing actionable. Is there a simple way for me to recognize that, from the backtrace? I don't send bug reports for the fun of it, and I try not to send duplicate backtrace reports. Many of the backtraces I've submitted have led to immediate or later fixes, so clearly there is actionable information in some of them. I there a way for me to know ahead of time, and so not to bother you with reports that clearly (apparently it's clear to you ;-)) contain no useful info. Presumably, the point of instituting the crash backtraces was so that users can provide them as info that can help. If they, or some of them, do not help, then maybe they can be improved (?) or maybe those that are useless can be filtered out (?). Unless I can easily recognize which backtraces not to send, you have this choice: either I can send no more or I can blindly send them all (non-duplicates, AFAICT), and you can filter them. Unless I can easily tell the difference, it does not help to tell me not to send the useless ones. ;-) > Also, include what you were doing at the time of the > error, what you expected to happen, etc. This crash, like all of those I've been reporting for a while now, comes at a seemingly random time. I see no association with any action I perform or any particular setting I use. For a while I thought that I could reduce the number of crashes by turning off icomplete-mode, but now I don't think that makes a difference.