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Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83ildz4vu7.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259866 Archived-At: On 13/04/2023 18:59, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc:joaotavora@gmail.com,monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,62720@debbugs.gnu.org, >> larsi@gnus.org >> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 15:14:51 +0000 >> >>> I have found an alternative that doesn't change the way >>> `package-compute-transaction' works, but requires a small change in >>> `package-install': >> I have found a smaller but equivalent change that would also solve the >> issue: > Are we still sure we want to change package-install, not > package-upgrade? AFAIU, there were several voices that preferred the > latter, with the rationale that a built-in package is always > "installed", so "installing" it makes little or no sense. Note that this notion would probably go better together with changing package-install's behavior to never update, for any packages that are already installed. That would make it consistent, but it's also a breaking change. So I really just mentioned it as a weak justification for not fixing package-install just now (so we'd make the decision about it later). Where the main cause for (not) doing that was your reticence for changing it this late in the cycle.