From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 19:48:48 +0000 Message-ID: <8fba78a42ee78011f182@heytings.org> References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf9eo3mq.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> <874kfs3585.fsf@gnus.org> <87v987z53l.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40568"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Third , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 29 21:49:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lcCey-000AQP-Gb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:49:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42426 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcCex-0004hO-GK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 15:49:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40586) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcCek-0004hG-Ci for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 15:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45291) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcCej-0003FM-QD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 15:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcCej-0008M9-N8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 15:49:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 19:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161972573432106 (code B ref 1305); Thu, 29 Apr 2021 19:49:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2021 19:48:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcCeb-0008Lm-SW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 15:48:54 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:58358) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcCeZ-0008Ld-MW for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 15:48:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619725729; bh=0a7E97FhLy9P7i3A/GxT86LS7G6TkbcWApT0Xwe6RaM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=a9agedZhAqqSIPyHzW6inf3yFelkvzEoFOdJYV91XlpWGmsXJ4FvsMOmMIKjETrfm n77P4PQs6gOcwxvAWVrhZ2mXAwExxlNjsfXdhZtk3E1TlUbaVqA4GxsfIHSGYR+wVD W7mP+PCiX4oCVvzejwBFLqBIcDP7oMmkQc94C+wUU0qidMmO+WMcmgVywWixBXR/d8 5fU3VJv+SXfYWeBcN/z/Tjvr9vux+hNvVaXSTRuUZvMf0tcfx0zXNwdftKDF3gEJoQ oZ29eZVJUGbmfTOVUKIHmA9h1T/Y6RMpnQ86rxLBQICMTFaLuaBSH5L9Wkb+ir4Ghb zPzV7nm9XREKA== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205200 Archived-At: >> and a new prettier bell function, which would be the default > > Another option would be to use your newer bell on MacOS (which has > universally negative feedback), but keep the current one on GNU/Linux > and Windows > IMO a default that gives the same result across platforms would be much better. I'm not sure what you mean by "the current one on GNU/Linux and Windows": the current default is an audible bell. If you mean "make the current visible-bell the default", I can only repeat that the visible bell on GNU/Linux is ugly. Would you imagine such a behavior in Visual Studio, Sublime or Atom? > > Windows (maybe? very little has been said here about whether it's better > or worse). > I can't really say whether it's better or worse, with visible-bell t on Windows the frame briefly flashes (with the FlashWindow function), a bit like a flash in a terminal. Among the three visible-bell t behaviors, it's the best one IMO, in the sense that it's visible and not intrusive. But I can't say it's nice. > > Which platform are you on, BTW? > Not sure this is relevant to the current discussion, but: 99% GNU/Linux (Debian), 0.95% macOS, 0.05% Windows.