From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36618: 26.2; Misnamed `*-hooks' variables Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8f219892-9cd8-4742-90d1-6eeff84f4dc6@default> References: <> <<87d0ievxm5.fsf@mouse.gnus.org>> <<2b8f5747-6d20-494a-b727-fdd0b9245299@default>> <<83o91xzvm3.fsf@gnu.org>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="63306"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 36618@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 13 19:47:10 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hmM72-000GIf-4N for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:46:16 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2tq5bb7x0u-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:46:16 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x6DHkDAU009505; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:46:14 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83o91xzvm3.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4861.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9317 signatures=668688 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907130216 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9317 signatures=668688 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1907130216 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:162926 Archived-At: > > A user looking for hooks will fall upon these misleading > > names of non-hooks using completion (e.g. substring). >=20 > Not necessarily: we have a section in the ELisp manual that lists all > the standard hooks. A user looking for hooks is not necessarily looking for _standard_ hooks, and she is not necessarily looking for coverage of hooks in the manual. As one simple example, `C-h v' with various types of completion (substring is one example, but there are others) can match such non-hook variables. Similarly, searches. Hook naming conventions are documented. And hook names have been improved over the years to better reflect the conventions. There are a few functions that mislead by their names. That misleading is not needed - it doesn't help anything.