From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b9b0728-ce08-4472-93b8-7afa32fd94f1@default> References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> <87wpju7ngs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1470447804 15463 195.159.176.226 (6 Aug 2016 01:43:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 01:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 06 03:43:20 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqdw-00031s-GL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:43:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47714 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqdt-0001Is-4M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:43:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44585) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqdm-00017X-GQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:43:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqdi-00076h-Be for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59717) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqdi-00076d-7c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqdi-0003Hw-2n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:43:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 01:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.147044774112593 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 01:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 01:42:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57014 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqd3-0003H2-GC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:42:21 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:48175) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqd1-0003Go-7j for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:42:19 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u761gBbU011486 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 01:42:12 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u761gAWC006878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 01:42:10 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u761gA9e023028; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 01:42:10 GMT In-Reply-To: <87wpju7ngs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:121874 Archived-At: > > The point of this bug is that using the Value menu is a one-way > > street, exceptionally, in the case of this one option. That's > > not normal - why should this option be an exception to how > > Emacs Customize works? And if you change the value to short > > or long there is no such problem. >=20 > I thought maybe the point of that option is to hide the button. The doc talks about the "textual description of the state." And `long' and `short' have the effect of providing a long and short description of the current state - to the right of the State button. The doc says nothing about what a `no' (`nil') value means. But by analogy with the effects of `long' and `short', and by interpretation of "textual description of the state" as being the text to the right of the button, which describes the current state, presumably `no' (`nil') would mean no textual description of the current state. That has nothing to do with no State button (which does not describe the current state but instead lets you perform=20 various Customize actions, including change the state. > It's easy enough to exclude the button from hiding, just > move that code outside of the conditional I have nothing to say about how to fix the bug. I only reported the problem.