From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:13:42 +0000 Message-ID: <8a0942d4caea34aae393626e4bab9709@airmail.cc> References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> <86eeyrtkwd.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="81970"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , Marcin Borkowski , rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org To: cpardo@imayhem.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 02 00:25:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgI5-000LCo-8f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:25:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43868 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgI3-0005JS-OX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:25:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50658) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgHw-0005Iy-Bk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:25:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgHv-0006KU-1R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:25:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgHu-0006Im-JO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgHu-0008U5-Cv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:25:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed Original-Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157265065732532 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:25:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 23:24:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57533 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgHA-0008Se-BN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:24:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:45823 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQg77-00065H-Or for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:13:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572650027; bh=mMl2+52rMtOnZOc44NjtAs1kh2F0BVxTMqplvmqkTZI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=OJm+Mnlbjm9sdrDtHY1zweTCwUHpOL0Ri+IAuIErK3AkSyMCjMbfAEJMoKL6XHoht ELINB8w0vlamaf4DlHF4YCoXRnfLTmWiVsU8hUzbDQf041G47gy7sWIXmHEk9IVJOw ux1V95WNgs64lkcVtAhQabkZZoJKVqg5yXhM+JwtQutK/kMDd7pJGqg4zsIBZg3vT6 CJQZXEVohRk5ekv1jYf6o6YWPkEOeU2IPsDIH8KDJCSoVMQ6+wO1byVDQMO9DKyTzb fdONKhsHi0jQhFUpGXDAJxDFEWrHL+6CLcv13vE2NgNDi6aVQKf35Fas4U7xzOM3RW Cvd6OY4Qdj6kg== In-Reply-To: <86eeyrtkwd.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:24:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170711 Archived-At: Any identity based politics will tend towards dominance and exclusion, and sometimes destruction of the Other. This is simple human nature; it simply does not matter what the rules of the ideaology, religion, etc are: in the end the Other will be attacked, dominated, and sometimes destroyed. There can never be equality; Equality is simply the point that 2 ships pass in the night. Feminism itself is a rebranded American Protestant Christian moral. There was work done to attempt to make it something else in the 60s and 70s, but this ultimately failed. All it does now is promote Americanism in Europe, and abroad; which is a shame. Men have no place in society now, not if they are the thinking kind. If they will go along to get along, "provide", and chase "hot wimmin" they're accepted. If they think "hmm what will be the outcomes here" and see divorce, alimony, child support, paying for a house they are not allowed in, and the woman becoming old in seconds flat... they would opt out... or defect elsewhere... and are not welcomed. Some American Protestants were calling for RMS' expulsion and /arrest/ recently. Feminism means I cannot marry young girls: yes it is poison to /me/. The old religions, which I read in their original and old translations, allow me such: thus much better for /me/. (Yes I know "sex positive" feminism was "going-to-be" different: but it failed. Feminism in the 1800s and 1900s was sex-negative, and again it is sex-negative for men but sex-positive for women today (1990s, 2000, 2010s)) Men being /mules/ (as in America) is _very_ good for women. Men being barred young girls is _very_ good for women. It is not good for men. America is not good for men at all. Ethics is simply "Americanism"; just a modern religion. Free Software is all about /opposing/ the 1975 etc copyright Act, of the USA; the one that extended copyright to software: that is it's origin and what it is about. Not any other "Ethics". I do not code Free Software to be bound to what American whites consider "correct and moral". I do not code FS for "Ethical" reasons: I program because I like to /tinker/ and I want others, who will mostly be men, to beable to /tinker/ too (paying it forward in that, and only that, way: in that specific subject). That pretty much goes for all hackers most likely (but not maintainers or people involved to make a name for themselves). In the end, I code free software, and got a law degree and license... because I have nothing else to do; and no prospects of doing so. Good hobbies. Pointless life. On 2019-11-01 20:13, cpardo@imayhem.com wrote: >> Marcin Borkowski: >> >> The problem is, this one particular joke isn't bad at all, quite the >> opposite - irrespective whether one laughs at women or hacker's >> stereotype of women. (I think both interpretations are valid, and >> none >> is too offensive for my taste. The previous joke in the file is >> definitely more offensive, for instance.) IOW, I consider it a >> feature, >> not a bug. (And I repeated it to many of my friends, and we all had >> a good laugh.) > > Who does the previous joke offend? Are you sure you are reading the > correct one? The removed joke demeans women by describing them as > unpredictable, irrational beings. If you enjoy that kind of humor, good > for you. But hosting it the distribution of one of the flagship > software > pieces of a project based on ethics if obviosly wrong. > >> This is not only false perspective, but it is plainly dangerous. >> Pitting men against women (or women against men) is exactly what >> feminists do, and it is one of the reasons feminism is such a poison >> for >> the society. > > Feminism aims for equality of the sexes. Such poison. > > > -- > Cecilio Pardo