From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37700: 27.0.50; undo mouse-drag-and-drop-region ineffective Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 19:18:51 +0200 Message-ID: <8A69325D-7EC4-4B8D-BAD2-6E3C048E5078@acm.org> References: <3311689D-B1DF-4BAC-86BA-E3D2C6D2ECF1@acm.org> <94D2DE0C-8BD0-4CCF-B77D-5606A1D227DD@acm.org> <83imovpck5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="160965"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 37700@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 11 20:24:05 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iIza8-000fiz-OT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1570814334; bh=8bFx7UDwuc3TDwUWGtEXLASOi2opCMeoUbI36Sho0O4=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=q8yhXRXWAxHTa15AWl7vMpIm9IoQuUXEHTrKaJLwwOu539Ij19eSZPrqlNEMMM93K uEpjbJIf81IuHpQCnT42eHa8o/bBlwJR6W6XRl7QGAdQJUbg+3uq35BUwJiOfQTKr4 RSjw9fBaiB+ac2nj3EvnLwEUQ6JiDhJWX0tp9lYU= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from [192.168.1.65] (c-e636e253.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [83.226.54.230]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail18c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id x9BHIpl2002192; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 17:18:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83imovpck5.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0206.5DA0B97E.000C, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=dfr+Ikfe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=M+GU/qJco4WXjv8D6jB2IA==:117 a=M+GU/qJco4WXjv8D6jB2IA==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=KkBn78UHUJ8g-4ptG9EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_FVE-zBwftR9WsbkzFJk:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=xoEH_sTeL_Rfw54TyV31:22 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169000 Archived-At: 11 okt. 2019 kl. 16.43 skrev Eli Zaretskii : >=20 > Given that the region can be easily deactivated, I'm not sure I see > the sense in introducing options that selectively disable > region-sensitive behavior of specific commands. When the user doesn't like the result of an operation, be it a change of = mind or a mistake, the first logical reaction is to undo. Many users if = not most are unaware that undo in Emacs is restricted to an active = region, and even if they know, they are not likely to think of it before = instinctively pressing the well-learned undo key. One reason is that no other editor works like this; another is that = almost all other operations that can be undone either deactivate the = region or take place wholly inside it, so there is no reason for the = user to care about that quirk. Moreover, users are often aware from experience with other software that = the time to undo an action is immediately afterwards, with no other = potentially inhibiting action in-between. Requiring a specific = undo-enabling action is therefore doubly hostile.