From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24051: 24.5; doc of `external-debugging-output' Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:09:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8993e713-093b-416c-b14e-4135f9c8ba08@default> References: < <871t2jyqj0.fsf@russet.org.uk>> <<87lgghk1q6.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <12148302-2962-4a77-b644-d791c8581ce1@default> <878tchjyvh.fsf@users.sourceforge.net>> <> <<83k1vzh2rq.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1517324952 14459 195.159.176.226 (30 Jan 2018 15:09:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 24051@debbugs.gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 30 16:09:07 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1egXWo-0002eq-IF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:09:39 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w0UF9Zoc004078; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:09:35 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83k1vzh2rq.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4639.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8789 signatures=668655 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=701 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1801300191 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:142701 Archived-At: > > But I do wonder how we should talk about the standard error > > stream. I see only one other occurrence of "standard error" > > where it means the stream (and not the discussion of standard > > Emacs errors) >=20 > That's strange, because I see it in no less than 7 other nodes of the > ELisp manual, and most of those nodes mention it more than once. You're right: Subprocess Creation, Synchronous Processes, Asynchronous Processes, Output from Processes, Filter Functions, Displaying Messages, and Batch Mode. Not sure what I meant by the text you cite, but the rest of what I wrote there should make clear that, although we use the term in several places, we don't actually say what we mean by it. This bit, for instance: On the other hand, would it be good to say something about the streams (the terms) "standard output" and "standard error" in node `Output Streams'? We refer to both (especially the former) in various places, but we don't say what those names mean. Some short description, at least, would be helpful.