From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9361: 24.0.50; default value of `dired-do-chmod' Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:27:29 -0800 Message-ID: <88378BBDA1F142B6A8CFF3961B3DEDDF@us.oracle.com> References: <03BC028E352D4173B985B3B34DF3193A@us.oracle.com><87zkiyabea.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <1BDADB23B4434E0C9330F1B010F1E1CE@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327595323 25201 80.91.229.12 (26 Jan 2012 16:28:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9361@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Juri Linkov'" , "'Chong Yidong'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 26 17:28:39 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSBi-0004uV-DX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:28:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57170 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSBh-000841-N5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:28:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52034) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSBc-00083t-18 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:28:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSBa-0002OC-1Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:28:31 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:40336) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSBZ-0002O8-VS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:28:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSC5-0007Ok-N0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:29:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 9361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9361.132759529628382 (code B ref 9361); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2012 16:28:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45723 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSBL-0007Nj-BS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:28:15 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:25453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqSBI-0007NV-LM for 9361@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:28:13 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id q0QGRXNM003502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:27:33 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q0QGRV81026919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:27:32 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt103.oracle.com (abhmt103.oracle.com [141.146.116.55]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q0QGRVO9017894; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:27:31 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:27:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcxwK2lVqZ5TkMXWQK+eCyEr0BeapAAZrcHAGshA9PAAJKwpYA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4F217EF6.0017,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:56040 Archived-At: This bug has not at all been fixed - AFAICT, everything I reported is still a problem. It should not have been closed. I tried to reopen this bug. It was archived (that's what comes from waiting for a response). I unarchived it (successfully). The unarchive message told me that unarchiving does not reopen the bug. So I then tried to reopen it again. No reply to my "reopen" mail - no change: still not reopened. I tried to reopen it again just now. Still no reply message and no change. There was never any response to what I reported as the bug. Instead, as is all too common, there was a side discussion... and that was it. The bug was closed without anyone ever addressing what I reported as the problem. You apparently fixed your own choice of a problem, which was not the problem that was reported. The default value of `dired-do-chmod' is still the same, inappropriate value. There is no reason to pick up the permissions from the _first_ of the marked files - makes no sense at all. And it is still not made clear to users which file the permissions are being copied from. Please read the bug report, and the followup passage cited below. Do I need to open a new bug and copy the 9361 report to it, i.e., to start over? > ping. > > > Juri makes the argument that this is handy because it lets > > you easily copy the permissions from "the marked file" and > > reuse them elsewhere. > > > > That is no argument when more than one file is marked. In > > fact it might be an argument for using as default the file > > of the current (cursor) line. It makes absolutely no sense > > to privilege the first of a non-singleton set of marked files. > > > > In reality, it is an argument for having a separate command > > to copy the settings (all of them) from the current line and > > then having, as default value for each of the `*ch*' commands, > > the value taken from that copied setting. And this would > > apply across Dired buffers, giving you an easy way to apply a > > particular set of values (settings). It could perhaps also > > apply to other Dired commands, such as `touch' (dunno). > > > > The point is that if we are going to copy settings from a > > particular file in order to make them available for, > > essentially, pasting operations to other files, then the > > target file being copied from should be clear. The copy > > operation should be an explicit user choice, not something > > implicit, based only on the first marked file (why not the > > last? or the 23rd?).