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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
@ 2010-05-20  4:42 Ken Hori
  2010-05-20  6:43 ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ken Hori @ 2010-05-20  4:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 6226

I've recently noticed Eshell is now calling tramp for every sudo
command. Tramp is very slow, and I believe for most cases tramp
intermediation is unnecessary.

Could we please add a customizable switch to enable/disable
eshell/sudo? Disabling eshell/sudo by default would be even better.





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-20  4:42 bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command Ken Hori
@ 2010-05-20  6:43 ` Michael Albinus
  2010-05-22  3:50   ` Ken Hori
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2010-05-20  6:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ken Hori; +Cc: 6226

Ken Hori <fplemma@gmail.com> writes:

> I've recently noticed Eshell is now calling tramp for every sudo
> command. Tramp is very slow, and I believe for most cases tramp
> intermediation is unnecessary.
>
> Could we please add a customizable switch to enable/disable
> eshell/sudo? Disabling eshell/sudo by default would be even better.

All built-in commands of eshell can be disabled by prepending "*". See

  (info "(eshell)Built-ins")

That means, you shall call

~ $ *sudo command

Best regards, Michael.





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-20  6:43 ` Michael Albinus
@ 2010-05-22  3:50   ` Ken Hori
  2010-05-22 22:03     ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ken Hori @ 2010-05-22  3:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: 6226

Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. And I'm also aware
I can just remove eshell-unix from eshell-modules-list.

Inside em-unix.el are

  eshell/agrep
  eshell/cat
  eshell/cp
  eshell/diff
  eshell/du
  eshell/egrep
  eshell/fgrep
  eshell/glimpse
  eshell/grep
  eshell/info
  eshell/ln
  eshell/locate
  eshell/make
  eshell/man
  eshell/mkdir
  eshell/mv
  eshell/occur
  eshell/rm
  eshell/rmdir
  eshell/su
  eshell/sudo
  eshell/time
  eshell/whoami

Some are beneficial, but many command wrappers are not -- at
least to me.

I think it's a good idea to give the users freedom
of choosing which eshell commands to opt-in or out.


On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Michael Albinus
<michael.albinus@gmx.de> wrote:
> Ken Hori <fplemma@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I've recently noticed Eshell is now calling tramp for every sudo
>> command. Tramp is very slow, and I believe for most cases tramp
>> intermediation is unnecessary.
>>
>> Could we please add a customizable switch to enable/disable
>> eshell/sudo? Disabling eshell/sudo by default would be even better.
>
> All built-in commands of eshell can be disabled by prepending "*". See
>
>  (info "(eshell)Built-ins")
>
> That means, you shall call
>
> ~ $ *sudo command
>
> Best regards, Michael.
>





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-22  3:50   ` Ken Hori
@ 2010-05-22 22:03     ` Michael Albinus
  2010-05-23 13:22       ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2010-05-22 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ken Hori; +Cc: 6226

Ken Hori <fplemma@gmail.com> writes:

> Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. And I'm also aware
> I can just remove eshell-unix from eshell-modules-list.
>
> Inside em-unix.el are
>
>   eshell/agrep
>   eshell/cat
>   eshell/cp
>   eshell/diff
>   eshell/du
>   eshell/egrep
>   eshell/fgrep
>   eshell/glimpse
>   eshell/grep
>   eshell/info
>   eshell/ln
>   eshell/locate
>   eshell/make
>   eshell/man
>   eshell/mkdir
>   eshell/mv
>   eshell/occur
>   eshell/rm
>   eshell/rmdir
>   eshell/su
>   eshell/sudo
>   eshell/time
>   eshell/whoami
>
> Some are beneficial, but many command wrappers are not -- at
> least to me.
>
> I think it's a good idea to give the users freedom
> of choosing which eshell commands to opt-in or out.

(eval-after-load "em-unix"
  (progn
    (unintern "eshell/su")
    (unintern "eshell/sudo")))

Best regards, Michael.





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-22 22:03     ` Michael Albinus
@ 2010-05-23 13:22       ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-05-23 17:15         ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-05-23 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: 6226

> (eval-after-load "em-unix"
>   (progn
>     (unintern "eshell/su")
>     (unintern "eshell/sudo")))

FWIW, I think `unintern' is a bit drastic.  `makfunbound' would be my
preferred choice.


        Stefan





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-23 13:22       ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-05-23 17:15         ` Michael Albinus
  2010-05-23 18:54           ` Juanma Barranquero
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2010-05-23 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 6226

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> (eval-after-load "em-unix"
>>   (progn
>>     (unintern "eshell/su")
>>     (unintern "eshell/sudo")))
>
> FWIW, I think `unintern' is a bit drastic.  `makfunbound' would be my
> preferred choice.

Thanks. Just another function I didn't know.

>         Stefan

Best regards, Michael.





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-23 17:15         ` Michael Albinus
@ 2010-05-23 18:54           ` Juanma Barranquero
  2010-05-24  8:16             ` Ken Hori
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-05-23 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: 6226

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 19:15, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> wrote:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> FWIW, I think `unintern' is a bit drastic.  `makfunbound' would be my
>> preferred choice.
>
> Thanks. Just another function I didn't know.

`fmakunbound', I hope :-)

    Juanma





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-23 18:54           ` Juanma Barranquero
@ 2010-05-24  8:16             ` Ken Hori
  2010-05-24 14:05               ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Ken Hori @ 2010-05-24  8:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: Michael Albinus, 6226

fmakunbound does the job, yes. But i just think providing a defcustom interface

> to give the users freedom
> of choosing which eshell commands to opt-in or out.

is better rather than manual enable/disable through a raw function call.
I'm speaking from user's perspective, not elisp programmer's. It's
just me though.

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 19:15, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>>> FWIW, I think `unintern' is a bit drastic.  `makfunbound' would be my
>>> preferred choice.
>>
>> Thanks. Just another function I didn't know.
>
> `fmakunbound', I hope :-)
>
>    Juanma
>
>
>
>





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-24  8:16             ` Ken Hori
@ 2010-05-24 14:05               ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-05-26  3:26                 ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-05-24 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ken Hori; +Cc: Juanma Barranquero, Michael Albinus, 6226

>> `fmakunbound', I hope :-)

Yes, thanks.

> fmakunbound does the job, yes. But i just think providing a defcustom
> interface

Agreed.


        Stefan





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-24 14:05               ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-05-26  3:26                 ` Michael Albinus
  2010-05-26  5:55                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
  2010-05-26 13:30                   ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2010-05-26  3:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Juanma Barranquero, 6226

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> fmakunbound does the job, yes. But i just think providing a defcustom
>> interface
>
> Agreed.

I don't know, whether another defcustom is needed. Eshell gives you
already configuration hooks, for example:

(add-hook 'eshell-named-command-hook
          (lambda (command args)
            (if (member command '("su" "sudo"))
                (throw 'eshell-replace-command
	               (eshell-parse-command (concat "*" command) args)))))

Alternatively, one could disable the alias commands interactively in
eshell, without further configuration:

~ $ fmakunbound (quote eshell/su)
~ $ fmakunbound (quote eshell/sudo)

I will document both approches in eshell.texi.

>         Stefan

Best regards, Michael.





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-26  3:26                 ` Michael Albinus
@ 2010-05-26  5:55                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
  2010-05-26 10:16                     ` Michael Albinus
  2010-05-26 13:30                   ` Stefan Monnier
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thierry Volpiatto @ 2010-05-26  5:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bug-gnu-emacs

Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> writes:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>>> fmakunbound does the job, yes. But i just think providing a defcustom
>>> interface
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> I don't know, whether another defcustom is needed. Eshell gives you
> already configuration hooks, for example:
>
> (add-hook 'eshell-named-command-hook
>           (lambda (command args)
>             (if (member command '("su" "sudo"))
>                 (throw 'eshell-replace-command
> 	               (eshell-parse-command (concat "*" command) args)))))
>
> Alternatively, one could disable the alias commands interactively in
> eshell, without further configuration:
>
> ~ $ fmakunbound (quote eshell/su)
> ~ $ fmakunbound (quote eshell/sudo)
>
> I will document both approches in eshell.texi.
OTOH adding an alias to su/sudo can solve problem:

alias sudo *sudo -p Password: $*
alias su LC_ALL=C *su -l

(if you enter the alias from eshell, you have to escape $)

-- 
Thierry Volpiatto
Gpg key: http://pgp.mit.edu/






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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-26  5:55                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
@ 2010-05-26 10:16                     ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2010-05-26 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thierry Volpiatto; +Cc: 6226-done

Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes:

> OTOH adding an alias to su/sudo can solve problem:
>
> alias sudo *sudo -p Password: $*
> alias su LC_ALL=C *su -l

Excellent. Aliases stay persistent, so it is the complete solution. I've
added this to eshell.texi.

Best regards, Michael.





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* bug#6226: Please add a customizable option to NOT call tramp for every sudo command
  2010-05-26  3:26                 ` Michael Albinus
  2010-05-26  5:55                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
@ 2010-05-26 13:30                   ` Stefan Monnier
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-05-26 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: Juanma Barranquero, 6226

>>> fmakunbound does the job, yes. But i just think providing a defcustom
>>> interface
>> Agreed.
> I don't know, whether another defcustom is needed.

I'm not sure either.  But fmakunbound is clearly not good enough since
it can't easily be undone.

> alias sudo *sudo -p Password: $*
> alias su LC_ALL=C *su -l

That's a better solution, yes.


        Stefan





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