From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16828: 24.3.50; eval-expression, character representation of integer results time-consuming Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:53:13 +0100 Message-ID: <87zjljf086.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> References: <83mwhk4v48.fsf@gnu.org> <83txbr2sye.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393095253 5316 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2014 18:54:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16828@debbugs.gnu.org, Anders Lindgren To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 22 19:54:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WHHiM-0006pm-Bb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:54:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50536 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WHHiM-000575-0X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:54:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55842) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WHHiD-00056g-52 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:54:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WHHi7-0005D3-Ba for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:54:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34709) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WHHi7-0005Cz-8G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:54:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WHHi6-0005gT-Im for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:54:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stephen Berman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16828 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16828-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16828.139309521321802 (code B ref 16828); Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16828) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2014 18:53:33 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35891 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WHHhb-0005fY-Nq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:53:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:51977) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WHHhY-0005fF-4Q for 16828@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:53:29 -0500 Original-Received: from rosalinde.fritz.box ([89.245.88.94]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LcFTN-1X0UTN3CEf-00jVdh for <16828@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:53:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83txbr2sye.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:11:05 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:8FGOCusDcXeh8rD4T3/CJjnU2UQPVzz/em+4Bhm1G03dfwfO1qq IMiIHBjx+7CGmSB2+qmxXZ/5lRiVHZmBYeZVmkSca80ofKgGBEPs7btMdNOvhHGP6MO9VQV ymodBQJa/ZZiAVhU+NZaOqBha72qt/ahX+y151tctQuNtbhjD94FPz9gwod+GtkEq94R8xL h9UMmOjTiI8vqRhxoRKOA== X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:86034 Archived-At: On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:11:05 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:49:24 +0100 >> From: Anders Lindgren >> Cc: "16828@debbugs.gnu.org" <16828@debbugs.gnu.org> >> >> Personally, I see little value of always seeing the char representation of >> integers >255, and if that comes at the cost of a 22 second delay I don't >> see that it's worth it. > > A user option should be a good compromise (we could argue about its > default value later ;-). An option for whether to show the character representation of integers higher than 255 may be the easiest way to deal with this issue, but the problem has wider scope (at least for me): it happens with any command that makes Emacs look for and load a suitable font, e.g. `C-h h' or opening an email or newsgroup posting that contains such a character. In my case the delay can be as long as ~90 (ninety!) seconds. Even though this happens only once per session, such a long delay, during which Emacs is effectively frozen, is quite annoying, especially when reading mail or news, where it is typically unexpected. Could the option be a timeout, say if the font isn't found within X seconds (with a low default), then just some placeholder will be shown, and maybe a message indicating the failure to find the font in that time? Steve Berman