From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Achim Gratz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17625: 24.4.50; All installed packages marked "unsigned", no archive listed Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 20:58:51 +0200 Organization: Linux Private Site Message-ID: <87zjhzf5zo.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <87tx89ffax.fsf@pellet.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <874n07goao.fsf@Rainer.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401476429 25622 80.91.229.3 (30 May 2014 19:00:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 19:00:29 +0000 (UTC) To: 17625@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 21:00:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS2Q-0007YK-2V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 21:00:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56115 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS2P-0007MC-Ql for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:00:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36417) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS2F-0007At-Dl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:00:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS28-0002iN-3y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:00:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39138) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS28-0002hv-0x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:00:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS27-0007SG-Df for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:00:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87tx89ffax.fsf@pellet.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Resent-From: Achim Gratz Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 19:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17625 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.140147638228589 (code B ref -1); Fri, 30 May 2014 19:00:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2014 18:59:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS1l-0007R2-Ip for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 14:59:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34586) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS1h-0007Qk-Rz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 14:59:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS1V-0002CI-89 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 14:59:32 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS1V-0002CD-5m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 14:59:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36223) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS1I-0006Xj-OM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 14:59:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS1C-00027N-FA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 14:59:12 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:53482) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS1C-00027B-7x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 14:59:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WqS1B-0006Wm-1b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 20:59:05 +0200 Original-Received: from pd9eb09f6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.235.9.246]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 20:59:05 +0200 Original-Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb09f6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 20:59:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9eb09f6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.91 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hc8PGcSVV3RWFSOT/IqTaoe3ox4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:89768 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > I guess my APT blinders are getting in the way. > But at least Debian seems to live rather well without caring where the > packages come from. I have not enough knowledge about APT to comment specifically on the design goals it has implemented. Debian packaging however is quite coordinated and disciplined in my experience. Come to think of it, that might actually be neccessitated by the design of APT. But stepping back from that discussion, the reality of Emacs' package management is that it allows for an unlimited number of package repositories to be configured and there are several different package repositories that have different and sometimes uncoordinated ways of doing their package versioning. That means for instance if I want to try out a single package from melpa, package manager would try to update all my other packages that are also available on melpa, whether I want that or not. My current solution is to only temporarily enable melpa, install that one package and disable the repository again. Now I have the problem that I don't get the continuous updates that I'm supposed to get when chosing from melpa. That makes package manager a lot less useful than it could be in my book. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf Q+, Q and microQ: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds