From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18051: 24.3.92; ls-lisp: Sorting; make ls-lisp-string-lessp a normal function? Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:18:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87zjg79dhw.fsf@web.de> References: <87ha2f5gp8.fsf@web.de> <838unr6ttu.fsf@gnu.org> <871ttj5dfi.fsf@web.de> <837g3b6ob7.fsf@gnu.org> <874myfatyo.fsf@web.de> <831ttj6lu5.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1405679592 2415 80.91.229.3 (18 Jul 2014 10:33:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18051@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 18 12:33:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X85TH-0002Lh-NY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:32:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48979 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X85G2-0001kH-Pp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:19:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47143) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X85Ft-0001gs-GD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:19:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X85Fm-0002Ib-VJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X85Fm-0002IX-Ry for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X85Fm-0007s1-Dr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18051 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18051-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18051.140567871930223 (code B ref 18051); Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18051) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2014 10:18:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X85FK-0007rL-RR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:18:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:63701) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X85FE-0007r1-Iw for 18051@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:18:32 -0400 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.217.127.201]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MfHUw-1Wt9vT0auw-00Op4q; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:18:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <831ttj6lu5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:46:26 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.92 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zABmX4G2Vk82AR2eoxW6hSkoLO6h7xUb+4NrAaz04FX7Hn05B/r iWVRjXUnBTtz72LRbhzYNVCZxZtcKLcEhnO3OPAWliKxg7mOs4jCDf05yeD5QohSanH5G/B 5Sa+Z4UCcs8kRyqs/Ca2XvE+pDjdDXrI9XRIf2xE7nTnM+rqENn+Fn1v/0RKBG+k5oa8BB4 oHIZei3RMRfiZY2g1OLAQ== X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91632 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > From my POV, making sure the package always behaves as designed, I > guess. You agreed with my motivation, so it sounds like a > contradiction to me to still push for the change. Seems I again misunderstood what you meant with: > [...] So I will generally oppose to introducing any option into it > that cannot be had with an external 'ls' program, as long as the > latter is the main method of getting a I had read that as introducing "user options", but you obviously meant introducing options for changing the behavior using any means. > Anyway, if others think the comparison of file names should be up for > grabs, I won't fight the change just because I think it's wrong. At least we agree that there's room for improvement. Anyway, what I want to reach: (1) sort in files starting with a dot as if they had no dot (2) -v sorting (sorting versions correctly) isn't that both possible with ls? (2) obviously; I think (1) depends on the system's language setting?