From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37883: 27.0.50; read-file-name: Scrambled INITIAL Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 17:16:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87zhhrcx0r.fsf@web.de> References: <87sgnj24t8.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="236501"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 37883@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 23 18:07:49 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iNJAr-000zLY-36 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 18:07:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40534 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iNJAp-0008Bd-Pb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wed, 23 Oct 2019 17:16:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:40:30 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:9WpExBtPa5cw1oN49dt/mLRhzHrAmqo2X5VUXzIL+uzn2iPzXkP UJQKJCdL2aaG1EBAy9etTb6rIaOUbgrGX+xOuZ1cLkyGmSdXPcQxjtEs09yPynQxyZyOvIz Ezzso+BSBlEQr5lm2/zrHb0mGhato2mC7D1D3YRGl9c0a/I//qKrAHSH1G9nOqssXrZkh6f qTQ/+mRS5FI1PA+kgk61w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:46/C3KrZo70=:9pHZ4owtO50rB06EpbCDKZ j9pmn63MHLIQubW+tWzdyzvG2b9RSU92+yEhK7SIK9FfQQSw+O7lDsH2ZxCR4DCJ/XKIb6j26 ejs2DhjezVFZqseF+FOaLo7mkiNR9bQwHzFLi0op8mT8XzLxlbLfet8qet0BcXA2XWlSYXzze IqjNoipSeuFRSjNiPKdRv16+DyYSzPUnJRL9R8LN5P9O+xASLfguyQDtGBfMEkQ564lvXQeD6 Patx9JtvoGqkOtAXFNXAIKxS8bGsgfpI5HJ1ct0jEa+Aq4y33+LQOjOvYZ2uU0LdolD/vJw7F nOEGGWh7Awq7i2t2V+NffFx+7FOmM9DRIivDqtCGaJQdbcJ18uJV9gi6U4+OVcyeoIR7Q1c2w x/i279AJPgW73/Umc7ArXVoCog3xJgEnOoRRyC5mlOeYVBuoC9YhFAp0h5n/e65mQbWnBCt+x 1lO3LhKXaYKKOfrMCb+t+NUq9SlfDffsdVIVhLOeo73aAah6gxP2sTuGGyJAxWdDzD7VNXGdN d5UkwdSQGw5t5uIqqv7ab0vJgwFTaCic+Or4iThLJxqzL7YogNkXtwvKRgfTi94EnObuON8in CPUYmOpPxCOUnxWpMGLbYZdNFgmWj3ucWIJOHKmOMtpNm5PKU9G+E68gSO8T1cfwiy6DnwoyT cOt3FC/zX+zPlAVdHqsGmgHf3iPpPvvYtZ+y9dKJFXVH5zYBljz9QMnbUds1NNRKH+CdCni5k bBziGRNLJUXgcBSVMM1DjEBqOWOApA/zRlpcV0RO+2JMXYBDOsArpU0xj5Ah+jrz5Xt83Vu9 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170073 Archived-At: Andreas Schwab writes: > (The manual also discourages the use of INITIAL.) BTW, what the manual says: "*Please note:* we recommend using DEFAULT rather than INITIAL in most cases." - maybe that could be a bit more precise? Which cases - what's problematic with using INITIAL in these cases? Why doesn't the docstring say that INITIAL is not recommended? Should developers better use alternatives (I guess one could use `minibuffer-setup-hook' to insert a default), or is any initial minibuffer content considered "bad"? Michael.