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[100.33.98.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p54sm8422074qta.39.2019.11.02.07.10.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 07:10:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ftj68kfe.fsf@dellcorei5dias.home> (Deus Max's message of "Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:41:41 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170799 Archived-At: One, to reiterate, the patch at hand is a useability improvement, protecting new users from the byzantine distinction of primary/secondary, and preserving the distinction internally for backwards compatibility. Some have argued keeping the internal distinction makes the patch unworthy of the risk, to which I am sympathetic. Two, with mild effort, I could fully eliminate the distinction without user guidance or manually rewriting newsrcs. Such a change exacerbates risk.