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Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:41:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CEFB383-E7C8-4AA8-9B43-6267E5523DC3@acm.org> ("Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?="'s message of "Tue, 25 Jan 2022 16:38:22 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:225203 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 16:38:22 +0100, Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd said: Mattias> The ideal number of options is always one, but I went with two= for a Mattias> very specific reason: the 'traditional' option is a time-saver= . Not Mattias> for users, but for you and me, who can point to it if there is= a Mattias> complaint about the change. I'd rather not have it. I remember there was a very large amount of back-and-forth about the exact output that would be enabled by `what-cursor-show-names', as people were very sensitive to the exact information presented. Yet here you've essentially flipped it to t for everybody, which will inevitably result in complaints. I think the new format can be improved, as to my eyes it=CA=BCs lacking in visual separators between the fields, but in any case I don=CA=BCt think it should be the default. "Let the Good Old Times roll" Robert --=20