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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a4f00c60661e81f189e621cb3523d70e; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 04:29:31 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83278e2613c4a27ade2ed7c0e59210068279782a.camel@dancol.org> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Sun, 07 Aug 2022 00:10:01 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20491 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:239025 Archived-At: Daniel Colascione writes: > Then emit an error message at runtime if you detect them running on > X11 telling users that things will mysteriously. To let them build > and run pgtk initially, then get frustrated with a few edge cases, is > doing them a disservice. They're not going to read that > documentation. Why won't they?