From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Miele Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64835: =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-variable=E2=80=99?= unconditionally let-binds =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98print-circle=E2=80=99?= to t Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 18:42:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87zg3lmf1v.fsf@whxvd.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26261"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 64835@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 24 18:49:27 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qNykP-0006cI-UY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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It seems to have been introduced in the following commit: 2c18969c810f338d73beda592ee5af7103132e97 Author: Stefan Monnier AuthorDate: Thu Mar 2 02:08:08 2017 -0500 Commit: Stefan Monnier CommitDate: Thu Mar 2 02:08:32 2017 -0500 * lisp/help-fns.el (describe-variable): Use cl-print for the value Use `pp-buffer' rather than `pp' so as to avoid calling prin1 twice. 2017 is a while ago. The first pretest release of Emacs=C2=A028 was in December=C2=A02021. So the commit must have entered the current emacs-29 branch in some "non-linear" way. The problem is that the effect of =E2=80=98print-circle=E2=80=99 being t pe= rtains to all sharing, not just sharing that leads to circles. And that has the effect, that the output can become arbitrarily unreadable. Consider for example: (require 'ispell) (ispell-set-spellchecker-params) (describe-variable 'ispell-dictionary-alist) The display of the value in my machine contains, e.g., "(nil #1# #2# #3# t #4# nil utf-8)". I do not see the reason for hard-coding =E2=80=98print-circle=E2=80=99 to t= in =E2=80=98describe-variable=E2=80=99. The only reason I can imagine would b= e the prevention of infinite loops. But that cannot be the case, because even with =E2=80=98print-circle=E2=80=99 nil, the printing routines seem to= check for circularity and handle it gracefully in the output. Is this a bug or a necessity that I do not understand, yet? The NEWS file does not mention this change. In general (and somewhat unrelated), it would be nice if =E2=80=98print-cir= cle=E2=80=99 would be split into two things: (1)=C2=A0make explicit all sharing (as is done now), and (2)=C2=A0make explicit only a subset of sharing that resolves all circles. (The latter would in at least two aspects still be different from the graceful handling mentioned above when =E2=80=98print-ci= rcle=E2=80=99 is nil.) ----- In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38, cairo version 1.17.8) of 2023-07-23 built on huette Repository revision: 906ecf442c43da98e6b8c7488f549691901690e9 Repository branch: emacs-29 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101008 System Description: Arch Linux Configured using: 'configure --with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk --with-native-compilation=3Dyes --with-tree-sitter --with-json --with-mailutils --with-imagemagick' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ IMAGEMAGICK JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LANG: C.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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