From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: info mode header line missing title Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 07:32:06 +0300 Organization: JURTA Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87y8jm66nt.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <413377AC.1010407@yahoo.com> <871xhkwq3e.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <871xhji3o5.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <01c49273$Blat.v2.2.2$3a84e9e0@zahav.net.il> <874qmcwdcx.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1094531798 2820 80.91.224.253 (7 Sep 2004 04:36:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: schwab@suse.de, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, ihs_4664@yahoo.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 07 06:36:31 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4XiY-0003Cu-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 06:36:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C4Xnl-0000wO-Q5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:41:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C4Xnj-0000w1-MH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C4Xni-0000vp-77 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C4Xni-0000vm-31 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:41:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [205.196.208.4] (helo=whisk.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C4XiI-0006b9-3L; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:36:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (80-235-32-225-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.32.225]) by whisk.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B317E175105; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 06 Sep 2004 23:43:19 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:8949 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:8949 Richard Stallman writes: > would be displayed as: > > Save Keyboard Macro >Edit Keyboard Macro > This would be fine for advanced users, but is it clear to beginners? > I am not sure. > > Also this would tend to suggest that < and > are info commands for > Previous and Next, but in fact they mean "first" and "last". ASCII characters might be not too clear, but 1-character wide bitmaps displaying the graphical images of arrows should be clear for all users. Example: (defconst info-next-pbm "P1 10 10\", 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0" "PBM data for next node icon.") There are exactly the same arrow shapes visible in the tool bar (though, with a bigger size), so users are already familiar with these arrows and it will be clear for users that the same meanings of arrows (next, prev and up) is valid for the header line too. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/