From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4960: 23.1.50; Please provide access to the tour on the Help menu; preferably ship it also Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:14:12 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87y6m1whdf.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <87ws1lzksg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Juri Linkov , 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258718866 20315 80.91.229.12 (20 Nov 2009 12:07:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Kevin Rodgers Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 20 13:07:39 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NBSH2-0004LQ-LF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:07:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59886 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBSH2-0000Tq-6X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:07:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBSGv-0000TC-GB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:07:29 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBSGq-0000Qj-04 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:07:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47965 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBSGp-0000Qc-T2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:07:23 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:43471) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBSGp-0006IW-4e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:07:23 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAKC7L1O002551; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:07:21 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nAKBt5Mf000695; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:55:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:55:05 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Juri Linkov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:55:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4960 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4960-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4960.125871751432594 (code B ref 4960); Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:55:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4960) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 20 Nov 2009 11:45:14 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mx1.starman.ee (smtp-out3.starman.ee [85.253.0.5]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAKBjCkr032529 for <4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:45:14 -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.34.117.cable.starman.ee [82.131.34.117]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5003F415B; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:45:06 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: (Kevin Rodgers's message of "Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:53:01 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:07:28 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32758 Archived-At: >> The Web Guided Tour is an advertisement of Emacs features. >> It doesn't provide any help. So the "Help" menu is not appropriate. >> We could create a new menu "Ads" ;-) >> >> BTW, I noticed that the About screen doesn't say that the link >> will start the browser (like it says on the startup screen). >> Here is a fix: >> >> Index: lisp/startup.el >> =================================================================== >> RCS file: /sources/emacs/emacs/lisp/startup.el,v >> retrieving revision 1.550 >> diff -u -r1.550 startup.el >> --- lisp/startup.el 6 Nov 2009 05:16:28 -0000 1.550 >> +++ lisp/startup.el 20 Nov 2009 09:31:21 -0000 >> @@ -1371,7 +1371,7 @@ >> :link ("Emacs Guided Tour" >> (lambda (button) (browse-url "http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/")) >> "Browse http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/") >> - "\tSee an overview of the many facilities of GNU Emacs" >> + "\tSee an overview of Emacs facilities at gnu.org" >> )) >> "A list of texts to show in the middle part of the About screen. >> Each element in the list should be a list of strings or pairs > > Although I appreciate the connotation of "facilities", I think "features" > would be better understood by curious new users. I agree. > And if you want to emphasize that the button is a link to the World Wide > Web, why not "http://www.gnu.org" instead of just "gnu.org"? "http://www.gnu.org" is more than twice longer than "gnu.org". And if we write it as a full URL, it would be natural make it a link as well, but we have the same link on the text "Emacs Guided Tour" already. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/