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Dieter Wilhelm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19152: 25.0.50; "You can run the command `debug-on-entry' with M-x deb-o RET" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:15:53 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Message-ID: <87y4r26uc6.fsf@vsl28t2g.ww011> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416741446 15375 80.91.229.3 (23 Nov 2014 11:17:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:17:26 +0000 (UTC) To: 19152@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 23 12:17:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVAM-00010U-TW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:17:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48195 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVAM-000235-F3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:17:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46715) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVAC-00022m-PK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:17:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVA6-0004RP-Hj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:17:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44985) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVA6-0004RL-Ei for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XsVA6-0001OK-7L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:17:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Resent-From: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:96444 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > Please remove such silly messages, which do not tell users about a *key > sequence* bound to the command they entered. Actually I find these messages very instructive for people like me, which had no idea about this (new with Emacs-25?) abbreviation ability! > (Not to mention that you didn't even put "M-x deb-o RET" between `...'.) `This could be an unmentioned improvement.' ;-) > This is not progress. Noise, not help. What were you thinking? In the contrary I appreciate such messages very much because they remind me to become more efficient. *But* above hint is not optimal! It should have been for example `M-x d-o- ' and not: M-x deb-o RET! ^^^^^^^^^^ So bug#19152 is for real, since the hints are not yet conforming to key binding conventions and might return an ambiguous and not optimal (regarding to speed) key sequence. Thank you for the key binding hints Dieter -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany