From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1149: 23.0.60; C-h m should mention command that toggles mode and its file Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:40:44 +0200 Message-ID: <87y47ygjfn.fsf@gnus.org> References: <002801c92c8a$2cd84610$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <877ffjhuib.fsf@gnus.org> <550724b9-3366-4a36-ad46-7970f5fb3e62@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461836486 21555 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2016 09:41:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1149@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 28 11:41:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRd-0002Sz-3V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:41:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47460 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRc-0002ZQ-1a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:41:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51173) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRW-0002XC-LP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:41:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRS-0003me-KP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:41:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:38815) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRS-0003mY-HY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:41:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRS-0003VX-AI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:41:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1149 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: fixed Original-Received: via spool by 1149-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1149.146183645013452 (code B ref 1149); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:41:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1149) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 09:40:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRF-0003Uu-Q1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:40:49 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:33486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRE-0003Un-L7 for 1149@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:40:49 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aviRA-0007pl-FP; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:40:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <550724b9-3366-4a36-ad46-7970f5fb3e62@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:10:21 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117018 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > How to toggle a minor mode is a frequently posed question. > `C-h m' should speak to it. > > It's the same for all minor modes, and it should be stated in > the output of `C-h m'. It need be said only once for all > minor modes, but it should be said. It shouldn't take more > than a sentence. > > Another frequent question is how to turn OFF a major mode. > It's not obvious that the answer is to turn ON some other > major mode. I disagree. These informational screens can't cover everything the user might possibly want to know in any situation. Since there are now links to the docs of each mode, and those mode strings cover that, having that info in the C-h m screen is unnecessary. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no