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From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: 25462@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#25462: Out of date doc string for "`".
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:04:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y3y9w2bj.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170117200539.GB4169@acm.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:05:39 +0000")

Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> Hello, Noam.
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 04:52:36PM -0500, Noam Postavsky wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:
>> > Hello, Emacs.
>
>> > The doc string for "`" has become partial.
>
>> > It fails to mention that "`" has a radically different meaning when used
>> > in certain parts of a `pcase', and probably quite a few other similar
>> > macros.
>
>> I don't think that makes sense. Similarly, we don't add a mention of
>> `cl-loop's use of `if' in the docstring of `if', because that's not
>> part of the `if' special form. It's just a use of `if' as a plain
>> symbol.
>
> I don't think `if' inside cl-loop is liable to cause much confusion.
> pcase, on the other hand, does cause confusion, as it radically changes
> the meaning of symbols contained within it, something that other macros
> don't do - with the possible minor exception of cl-loop.
>
> If you can think of any other such examples of context dependence
> changing the semantics, I think these should be documented too.

`rx' gives new semantics to `and', `or', `any', etc...

`condition-case' changes the meaning of the symbol list at the front of
its handlers.

At one point, the `use-package' macro (note, this is not (yet) part of
Emacs) interpreted `,' to mean eager evaluation.  But people didn't like
it, so it now uses `lambda' for that instead.

> The direction I'm coming from is to make the doc strings help users -
> not to make them 100% consistent.

Well, I guess adding a mention of pcase in backquote's docstring would
be okay.  The way your initial report phrases it, as if the docstring is
incomplete without that, didn't make sense to me.





  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-18  2:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-16 21:30 bug#25462: Out of date doc string for "`" Alan Mackenzie
2017-01-16 21:52 ` Noam Postavsky
2017-01-17 20:05   ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-01-18  2:04     ` npostavs [this message]
2017-01-17 21:17   ` John Mastro
2017-01-18 20:55     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-01-18 22:14       ` Noam Postavsky
2017-01-18 20:40   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-25 16:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-26  6:46   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-26  7:17     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-26 20:31       ` Alan Mackenzie

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